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[News] Energy bills to top £4200 at the start of next year
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Icy Gull
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Your faith in Starmer is admirable, I hope you’re right, when not being sarcy he seems to have the answers to everything and has had since the pandemic began, normally in hindsight though.
Happy to see him give it a go
No I agree. We hear the 'cap' will be £5,000, £6,000, £7,000, whatever and that isn't true - you won't hit that much and then stop paying regardless of how much more you use, so it isn't a 'cap'.
The figure is worked out apparently on the 'average' household, which as a general guide is useless. How big is the house? How many people in it? What temperature do they like their CH set at? Do they bath or shower? How much cooking do they do?. There's way too many variables for people to say the 'cap' is £4,569 or whatever and present it like it's been accurately arrived at and set in stone.
The capped figure is the price charged per unit (and the standing charge). However that's in pence (at the moment!) and I guess saying 'Gas is now 15p a unit!' isn't nearly so dramatic as saying 'Energy cap is now £4,569!"
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Not sure you would accept any criticism against Sir Kier
Yes, I would. I am not a Labour member, and haven’t voted Labour for 20 years or so.
At the moment, he is a lot better than the criminals in charge at present.
Icy Gull
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You know this for a fact, even though he has never been in power?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I don't have 'faith' in Keir Starmer. He is the best of a bad bunch in Parliament at present.
Icy Gull
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Maybe….as I said before it’s easy to snipe maybe not so easy to be in charge.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Yes. I worked with him. When has he been arrested or found out in fraud?
Tell you what, why don’t we analyze Starmer’s and Boris’ (or whoever runs the show these days) plan side by side? Then we can decide who’s is more workable. Care to provide a link to the Tory plan?
It's just that when the current government are a bunch of duplicitous, incompetent, selfish crooks that has crushed civil rights, imposed a hard-brexit that is clearly failing, that doesn't tax energy firms making billions, that votes to allow private water firms to discharge sewage into our seas, and that upsets our allies and closest trading partners, it's easy to assume the alternative is probably better.
I don't agree with [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] when he says "vote Tory, get Tory", mind. I now know there are many thousands of decent Tories out there - they're the ones turning their backs on the current government.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Bit of a low bar
Icy Gull
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I am not supporting the current government just suggesting that Sir Kier has not inspired me at any time to think “yeah, that’s the man to sort out this shitfest”
I’m not convinced there’s a politician capable of doing it
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Don't forget this current lot sacked 21 of their own MPs when they didn't vote for whatever Jonhson wanted.
They also wanted to prorogue parliament so as to force through Brexit by default. It doesn't get any less democratic than that.
Icy Gull
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I am not arguing about any of what you say, it’s just Thunderbolts constant posting of what a man not in power would do as though it’s the silver bullet to end this shitfest that irritates me.
It may be, I hope it is :shrug :
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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it aims to raise £8bn from windfall taxes rather than £5bn, by back dating it to start of the year. the rest of the costing is based on existing promised spending and a saving on debt payments on assumption inflation is reduced by 4%. its also based on the April cap and prices. basically a ~£1000 sub to each bill, though not explained how its implemented, which is vitially important for that inflation effect.
https://labour.org.uk/press/keir-st...an-to-address-the-tory-cost-of-living-crisis/
Lets face it - the majority of the increase is because of Russia invading Ukraine. The west is sanctioning Russia and they are effectively cutting the gas (or reducing it) to the west - increasing the price.
I think it was a previous poster who said we are effectively at war with Russia - this is true. A s such we need to increase the tax on the wealthiest and borrow as if it was a war - mitigating the effects to alleviate fuel/food poverty, but at the same time massively build up our renewable s. We are a country surrounded by sea currents and wind. Its an investment. Granted it wont happen overnight, but we really need to start building wind farms all around our coastline and tidal generators on the severn etc
I think it was a previous poster who said we are effectively at war with Russia - this is true. A s such we need to increase the tax on the wealthiest and borrow as if it was a war - mitigating the effects to alleviate fuel/food poverty, but at the same time massively build up our renewable s. We are a country surrounded by sea currents and wind. Its an investment. Granted it wont happen overnight, but we really need to start building wind farms all around our coastline and tidal generators on the severn etc
They surmise that this cap would reduce inflation by 4% which seems wildly optimistic to me, but as a short term fix it seems to be a lot better than what the current government are doing about this serious problem which appears to be *checks notes* absolutely f**k all.
Iggle Piggle
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There's a big difference between some groups in particular generations. There are those who recognise that they are in a decent position through a combination of hard work and a bit of luck with overly generous pensions and redundancy terms that would never be given out to people starting work today. There are also those that sit in the golf club bar who believe that luck had nothing to do with how they got there, that the young should pay for the lot and not recognising any of the benefits that existed from one generation to the next. Good luck to anyone in Category A, I don't begrudge anyone retiring when they can afford to, but not so much those in Category B.