End the War on Drugs - Breaking the Taboo

[Nibble]

I've asked this question and nobody has answered it. What drugs do you really think will or should be legalized?

Marijuana and Extacy seem to be the thing most people are moaning about, but will those people then say oh hang on, no don't do it though with ICE, Heroin, Crystal Meth etc

I mean realistically, how hard a drug do you want made available to people?

Unless you legalize the hard drugs you arent shutting down any criminal organisation they way I see it.

I think Heroin should be available on prescription but that's something of a different issue and has been trialled succesfuly. I'mnot suggesting I know the exact solution to the problem, I don'thave the sociological or medical expertise to address the specifics. What I am saying is that relevant experts in the field need to come at the drugs problem from a different angle as the war on drugs does not work.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

'Strangely enough I actually support euthanasia for anyone who wants to do it safely'

How do you safely kill yourself?.......I understand what youre saying, it just made me laugh a bit.

By doing it so you don't kill anyone else in the process

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I think Heroin should be available on prescription but that's something of a different issue and has been trialled succesfuly. I'mnot suggesting I know the exact solution to the problem, I don'thave the sociological or medical expertise to address the specifics. What I am saying is that relevant experts in the field need to come at the drugs problem from a different angle as the war on drugs does not work.

And that in there lies my issue.

I'm afraid that if we make drugs carte blanche we may open up a Pandora's box that once opened cannot be reversed and we end up with Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

 

[Dub-67]

Tyrone, Pandoras box is already open!
Its very very easy to score drugs... and many many thousands do every day in Brighton alone.

People choose to take drugs.. deal with it. We need to be mature, compasionate and understanding, and try and keep people safe and free from harm.

 

[Dub-67]

If you have a drug related health issue you expect the public health service to provide you with care for what you put in your body?

I agree you should be able to do what you want. But you should also have to take full responsibility for it and pay 100% for every cost incurred if it causes you damage or damage caused by you.

Your logic on this is not very strong.
Following on from your post would you also say that other accidents due to some recreational activity should also pay for their treatment ? Say if I fall off my mountain bike.. or skateboard.. is it my own fault for doing something with a risk associated.. and then be forced to pay, as you say 100%?

 

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[Dub-67]

Marijuana decriminalised in Washington state

 

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I've asked this question and nobody has answered it. What drugs do you really think will or should be legalized?

Marijuana and Extacy seem to be the thing most people are moaning about, but will those people then say oh hang on, no don't do it though with ICE, Heroin, Crystal Meth etc

I mean realistically, how hard a drug do you want made available to people?

Unless you legalize the hard drugs you arent shutting down any criminal organisation they way I see it.

If heroin was legal, would you use it?

Glue is legal, people don't sniff glue because it's legal though do they. A kid can get hold of cannabis more easily in our society than they can alcohol. Because it is illegal.

When something is illicit, it commands black market prices, it carries risk being illegal so it's more expensive. As a result, there is large profit to be made. Who will seek to make a profit from something illegal? A criminal. Will a criminal care if the person buying from them is 12 or 20?

Some drugs people feel they benefit from and they chose to use them as part of their lifestyle. Decriminalizing these things does not mean we condone them, what we condone is people making decisions for themselves, and as you said in a previous post, taking responsibility for their actions.

Some drugs, like heroin, are extremely harmful and some people really suffer with them. But I fail to see how, a) making drugs illegal stops people from using them, and b) imprisoning people who do use them, helps those people.

You mentioned your friend who sadly took his own life, and who you say had mental issues and a problem with drug use. Surely you can appreciate that criminalizing and imprisoning people under these conditions does nothing to help their situation? Wouldn't a social medical approach be better?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If heroin was legal, would you use it?

Glue is legal, people don't sniff glue because it's legal though do they. A kid can get hold of cannabis more easily in our society than they can alcohol. Because it is illegal.

When something is illicit, it commands black market prices, it carries risk being illegal so it's more expensive. As a result, there is large profit to be made. Who will seek to make a profit from something illegal? A criminal. Will a criminal care if the person buying from them is 12 or 20?

Some drugs people feel they benefit from and they chose to use them as part of their lifestyle. Decriminalizing these things does not mean we condone them, what we condone is people making decisions for themselves, and as you said in a previous post, taking responsibility for their actions.

Some drugs, like heroin, are extremely harmful and some people really suffer with them. But I fail to see how, a) making drugs illegal stops people from using them, and b) imprisoning people who do use them, helps those people.

You mentioned your friend who sadly took his own life, and who you say had mental issues and a problem with drug use. Surely you can appreciate that criminalizing and imprisoning people under these conditions does nothing to help their situation? Wouldn't a social medical approach be better?

Did you hear that crash ? That was me falling off my chair !!!! The reason being is that I agree with you ! Think I need to go an lie down now

 

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Did you hear that crash ? That was me falling off my chair !!!! The reason being is that I agree with you ! Think I need to go an lie down now

 

[griff9]

Of course he did. Marijuana however can have terrible effects on people with potential mental issues. It accelerates and expands the process.

It might be safe for some people, but for other people it sets off a terrible chain of events.

When he wasn't on it, he was a different person. It's all too easy to say oh there's so much evidence to say it's safe. it's safe for some people, but for others its the start of a slippery slope that destroys them and their family.




It's the same as tobacco smokers, someone might say oh I've smoked for 50 years and its not done me any harm. Unfortunately for a lot of other people its killed or ruined their lives.

It's very much a game of Russian roulette it seems.

Have you ever considered that it is a game of Russian roulette because of the fact that it is illegal?

By having it illegal it means the wrong people control the creation and selling of cannabis and have tweaked the plant to how they want it

Over the years the weed has gone from stuff which has equal levels of CBD (which is in itself an anti psychotic) and THC - to stuff which has exceedingly high levels of THC and barely any CBD ..

CBD is more then just an anti psychotic - In fact for some its a potential wonder drug when used with small amounts of THC (anti inflammatory, excellent pain killer, gets people eating again - some people even claim its cancer curing)

Cannabis should be medicine and if the right people were allowed to research and tweak it then they could understand cannabis and concentrate on adapting it to make it work better for different types of ailments and conditions - Have a look at near enough any condition you can think of and i guarantee there are people on the internet on forums tweaking and adapting cannabis to suit their conditions - MS, epilepsy, people with HIV and undergoing chemotherapy, etc,etc (believe it or not but even people with mental conditions such as Alzheimer's can be helped from cannabis)

It's not like we're saying 'free the weed' because we want an outbreak of mass hippy culture on the streets and more young people smoking dope lol - its simply because the plant has major potential benefits that need to be explored which won't be explored when its in the hands of criminals..

In regards to what you said above that cannabis can make people worse with mental health issues, to me its a bit like saying some dogs can bite you and be viscous .. There's many different types of dog in the world and the more we research - the more we can attempt to understand and breed out the things we don't want and breed in the characteristics we do want - It's the same with cannabis, apart from we aren't allowed to tweak and breed the cannabis plant legally like we could with dogs, for example!

The other thing that annoys me about it all is that by banning it we're not helping the youth at all - When i was 14 i could get hold of cannabis far easier then I could get hold of alcohol, tobacco or rizla's ..

I'm not saying start selling it in newsagents cus obviously the young will still get hold of it but what i'm saying is lets get cannabis out of the wrong peoples hands and into the right peoples .. rather then banning it and talking about its bad properties all the time (because the young continue to get hold of bad cannabis), why not attempt to understand it and get in the hands of the right people (scientists, medicinal patients - not children) and concentrate on its benefits and how it could help us as a society ..

Trying to sweep the issue under the carpet (keeping it illegal) doesn't work.. it just means the people who do use it have no protection and can end up f***ed up (which won't change because criminals will continue to control supply).. why not attempt to understand, educate and face the problem head on. (us control supply and attempt to make change)

The way i see it - things like what happened to your friend will continue to happen all the time its illegal - why not keep it out of young people's hands by controlling supply and attempt to manipulate cannabis into something beneficial (bare in mind its already been manipulated from what it was into what it is now) , so that if people like your friend were to ever get hold of it then he could at least get something that has been been through a regulated process and is safe as it can be, rather then buying from a criminal who's only interested in your money..

"the bulk of our age related illnesses can best be addressed not by going to the pharmaceutical companies and taking toxins and then taking more toxins to correct the toxic affects of the toxins, but rather to use this cannabis plant that plugs into our biochemical system in such a unique way" - Dr Robert Melamede

 

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