chez
Johnny Byrne-The Greatest
I'm not debating the fact that he gives the ball away maybe a bit too much for comfort but I will question the positioning comment. I haven't often seen him out of position to be honest.
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Elphick & El Abd
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I'm not debating the fact that he gives the ball away maybe a bit too much for comfort but I will question the positioning comment. I haven't often seen him out of position to be honest.
Again, this is how I see it.
Maybe there is a bit of eye-of-the-beholder with respect to positioning. Monty agrees with me, you dont. Lets agree to differ.
chez
Johnny Byrne-The Greatest
Have to agree to disagee on this then, as I just posted to Tubthumper (sorry if I got the name wrong) I just don't see him out of position much. Last season yes, but I think this season he has sorted that part of his game right out.
Sounds like even though we disagree you are one of the people that watch the whole game rather than just the ball. Don't you agree that it can make even the most boring of games interesting?
Spot on mate, i agree his positioning is getting better. It needs to, because he aint the quickest. I dont think we actually disagree on much, i just dont see him as a future cb if we are seriously thinking of going up, this season or next.
I have always preferred to sit on the half way line so I can see as much as possible and get as good a perspective as possible. I do try and keep on eye on movement, especially defenders. I have always been a bit of a fan of slower strolling players who tend to make their move to intercept balls long before the ball is on its way...if you get my drift. Simon Morgan was always good at this.
chez
Johnny Byrne-The Greatest
Spider
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- Sep 15, 2007
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El-Abd's strengths and weaknesses have always been clear since he came onto the first team scene. As a tackler I think he is the best the team has, some of his last ditch tackles are marvellous. In the air he is improving and is certainly no pushover. The main problem for him is his distribution, which unfortunately often puts him into more trouble as he is quite error prone. I'd say the partnership of him and Elphick works well at the moment, and is certainly one of the stronger aspects of our team, but put El-Abd in the Championship and I think he would struggle.
mona
The Glory Game
It's pretty obvious that you don't include yourself in the "We".
Oh well we can go back to the old days of losing players like John Robinson to Charlton for peanuts.
mona
The Glory Game
Fair enough but physical strength is also important in this division. That's why a player like ElAbd has a role to play. And we miss Hammond because you need to win the ball in the air in midfield as Rogers used to do.
mona
The Glory Game
You are not allowed to talk sensibly about players. The NSC rule is that they are either legends or crap.
London Pompous
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- Feb 16, 2008
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El Abd is a good player for 89 minutes in a game. Yesterday he made some excellent blocks, threw himself at everything, and went to sleep only a couple of times, but he has to eradicate that element from his game.
Who knows?
MORTY
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FRASER
? Are you having a laugh? I know he's a local lad but come on. If he's the future we have no future. Just watch Fraser for 5 minutes. He has no clue. Poor on the ball, no positional play, follows the ball. I fail t understand how he regularly commands a starting place. IMO of course.
NMH
Banned
That's alright, I have this thread as evidence about you and HT. Not that you have been alone in your terrible assessments and rubbish opinions, as loads of NSC'ers will be poo-pooing the fact that they ridiculed el-Abd and ranted for him to be got rid of for ages.
Notice the NSC cognoscenti shuffling their collective tootsies, as they cough and blubber their excuses and new reasoning "oh but he was crap and NOW he's MIRACULOUSLY doing alright...at the moment..."/"he's realised his faults and suddenly he's improved....a bit". But there are the SLOWER kids at school who took more time to learn from their teachers, and Monty and Herr Tub. are still working on the ol' learning skills.
Facts are, that a LOT of Brighton fans don't know what they are looking at when they watch football. They have their heads up their arses, and can even curse the very person who saved the club! Amazingly, while they have done and said fuckall
to contribute to the general well-being of BHA, they spout effusively about some old glory that somehow appears brilliant as the finest diamond through the crystal clear mists of their memories, while howling in TOTAL disdain at the present! Oh yeah, paid money to watch, so they can rant and berate from the stands and still call themselves 'supporters'.
Don't worry of fret, it's only a lack of vision and perspective, and evolution hasn't been kind to every homo-sapien JUST because you can manage to walk upright.
Oh that's right, Zamora was brilliant and you saw him play - and you only EVER said encouraging words about THAT side! Now it's el-Abd we are left with - CLEARLY a reasonable player in the Blue Square league, would do alright for Eastbourne and Lewes but we should "get rid".
'Caution - Slow Children'
Do try to catch up with the rest now, will you?
NMH
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FRASER
Fraser, unfortunately seems to think himself a decent footballer and is incensed when he's dropped - like it must be some kind of MISTAKE the manager made! He has some MASSIVE attitude adjustments to make before he's got an enduring career.
No amount of connections or "do you know who I am" thinking, will force the concept that he's a complete article. He has to absorb a little humility, maybe get a little religion in him and knuckle down to some SERIOUS football professionalism.
That is to say- don't write him off yet, he has the potential to go places - but right now in his life is the best time to get real about it and try to learn some things to build on. Every match, he has to play 'above himself', and every time he has to try to improve on the last time.
Cox is another one - he HASN'T played one particularly bad match - but gradually his input and influence has declined. That must be THE most frustrating for Wilkins to see, especially with how well he knows these players.
I bet for all he's heartened by the progress made by Elphick, El Abd, and perhaps Robinson - he must be perturbed by the diminishing value he's getting from Cox, and the flat-lining he's getting from Fraser. Both young men with attitude issues. Co-incidence?
Strange as it sounds - I'd send them both to a martial arts school, to learn certain important respects and perspectives.
dougdeep
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It amazes me how some people on here can write line after line of opinion, based on sod all knowledge.
NMH
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It amazes me how this website enables opinion and discussion, yet some can only contribute dismissive one-liners like yours.
Come back when you've said something worth reading
Come back when you've said something worth reading