[Misc] Electric Cars

[nicko31]

Another fossil fuel peddled lie dead in the water. Batteries can be recycled....

 

[dazzer6666]

Guys guys guys, listen in.

My banger of an ICE car has banged it's last bang. I need a new car.

My mrs is thinking, spend 5k on another ICE to get us through the next few years. I'm thinking we spend more, maybe £10K on a second hand EV.

Now i've never had one, but would be up for it. I've got a driveway I could install a charger. Don't usually drive further than, say, Oxford Swindon area.

So in order to talk my mrs into my plan I need a sales pitch. What EV models would you be looking at, at that pricepoint? And what should I include in the EV pitch?

We've just done this. Mrs D's car is fine but very old (2007, she's had it 12 years). Doesn't ever go far (car has only done 30k). Price of second hand EVs seems to have plummeted, there was very little differential between ICE and EV for the type of car she wanted so we've gone EV. Range is not an issue and we will have a charging point put on the drive hooked up to the solar system.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

There are many good electric cars.

Then there are things like this, which I just walked past...

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That looks like the sort of thing an eight year old would come up with if you gave them a bunch of cardboard boxes and some paint and told them to make a car.

Re Teslas and people who swear not to buy them: I am 100% one of those. I'm looking at an EV later this year when the deal on my existing car runs out. I know the Teslas are very highly rated and nearly all the reviews say they're great cars. But I wouldn't even consider buying one, because I am not giving that piece of shit a penny of my money. Yes I am aware this will mean absolutely nothing to him, but it's a point of principle for me.

I know others who have Teslas who are feeling quite uncomfortable with it now, or at the very least a bit edgy that they'll come back to where they parked it one day to find somebody has sprayed the 2025 equivalent of COCK PISS PARTRIDGE on the side.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

We've just done this. Mrs D's car is fine but very old (2007, she's had it 12 years). Doesn't ever go far (car has only done 30k). Price of second hand EVs seems to have plummeted, there was very little differential between ICE and EV for the type of car she wanted so we've gone EV. Range is not an issue and we will have a charging point put on the drive hooked up to the solar system.

You'll need a long lead!!

Sorry, bad joke.

Congrats on making the jump. I'm still trying find the right thing. I'm quite tempted by a sexy little Peugeot e208 I saw. Though it's £13k which is quite a bit more than I wanted to spend

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

That looks like the sort of thing an eight year old would come up with if you gave them a bunch of cardboard boxes and some paint and told them to make a car.

Re Teslas and people who swear not to buy them: I am 100% one of those. I'm looking at an EV later this year when the deal on my existing car runs out. I know the Teslas are very highly rated and nearly all the reviews say they're great cars. But I wouldn't even consider buying one, because I am not giving that piece of shit a penny of my money. Yes I am aware this will mean absolutely nothing to him, but it's a point of principle for me.

I know others who have Teslas who are feeling quite uncomfortable with it now, or at the very least a bit edgy that they'll come back to where they parked it one day to find somebody has sprayed the 2025 equivalent of COCK PISS PARTRIDGE on the side.

It's less the money for me as i'm buying second hand.

But I figure that by buying one, i'm publicly associating myself with him.

I reckon in 5 years nobody will have one, not in Hove anyway, for fear of being a social pariah

 

[chickens]

It's less the money for me as i'm buying second hand.

But I figure that by buying one, i'm publicly associating myself with him.

I reckon in 5 years nobody will have one, not in Hove anyway, for fear of being a social pariah

Yep, I suspect there’s a lot of people who can’t wait for their PCP/lease agreements to end.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

It's less the money for me as i'm buying second hand.

But I figure that by buying one, i'm publicly associating myself with him.

I reckon in 5 years nobody will have one, not in Hove anyway, for fear of being a social pariah

The way he's going, it'll be about 5 months!

I saw some stats the other day suggesting Tesla sales in Germany are down something like 40% year on year. Germany is where he's been very vocal in his support for the far right AfD party of course. Sales in the UK are down, but nowhere near that much. Must be a twitchy time for the Tesla showroom sales staff, nonetheless.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

 

[Greg Bobkin]

We've just done this. Mrs D's car is fine but very old (2007, she's had it 12 years). Doesn't ever go far (car has only done 30k). Price of second hand EVs seems to have plummeted, there was very little differential between ICE and EV for the type of car she wanted so we've gone EV. Range is not an issue and we will have a charging point put on the drive hooked up to the solar system.

Blimey! That sounds out of this world

What car did you go for, just out of interest?

 

[Greg Bobkin]

The way he's going, it'll be about 5 months!

I saw some stats the other day suggesting Tesla sales in Germany are down something like 40% year on year. Germany is where he's been very vocal in his support for the far right AfD party of course. Sales in the UK are down, but nowhere near that much. Must be a twitchy time for the Tesla showroom sales staff, nonetheless.

I've heard a lot of this from people going away from Tesla, both existing owners and those in the market for an EV. I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but Tesla had the best proposition for EV ownership for a while, largely because of the supercharger network (which is very good). But the rest of the ownership experience is shitehouse, IMO. Plus there have been LOADS of EVs launched since then that are better and from companies not owned by complete berks. Although there are a lot of Chinese manufacturers have arrived (with more following) and some people take issue with them, too.

Teslas will continue to be popular with Elon fanboys and girls and other people who either don't give a shite, or have it effectively forced upon them as part of their company car/salary sacrifice offering. But his latest stuff will have opened the eyes of many people to what they are all about.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Blimey! That sounds out of this world

What car did you go for, just out of interest?

Surely a Ford Galaxy.

 

[dazzer6666]

Blimey! That sounds out of this world

What car did you go for, just out of interest?

Fiat 500e............wouldn't have been my choice

 

[dazzer6666]

You'll need a long lead!!

Sorry, bad joke.

Congrats on making the jump. I'm still trying find the right thing. I'm quite tempted by a sexy little Peugeot e208 I saw. Though it's £13k which is quite a bit more than I wanted to spend

Likewise - was expecting to spend around 10k but ended up spending 13k We'll make decent use of it locally

 

[thedonkeycentrehalf]

Yep, I suspect there’s a lot of people who can’t wait for their PCP/lease agreements to end.

Mate of mine has had a Tesla on a work lease but now waiting for delivery of a BYD Seal as he didn't want the Musk association. The BYD Seal seems to have decent reviews and is a lot cheaper on the work lease scheme than the Tesla so will be interesting to see how he gets on with it.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I know others who have Teslas who are feeling quite uncomfortable with it now, or at the very least a bit edgy that they'll come back to where they parked it one day to find somebody has sprayed the 2025 equivalent of COCK PISS PARTRIDGE on the side.

Student activists, threatening just that, in the States...

MSN

 

[dsr-burnley]

It's less the money for me as i'm buying second hand.

But I figure that by buying one, i'm publicly associating myself with him.

I reckon in 5 years nobody will have one, not in Hove anyway, for fear of being a social pariah

The problem is that once you have refused to buy anything from either Elon Musk or from China. there might not be much left worth having. China is a big player in electric cars and loads of other electrical stuff, as well as the cheap goods that are rather easier to avoid.

 

[chickens]

Mate of mine has had a Tesla on a work lease but now waiting for delivery of a BYD Seal as he didn't want the Musk association. The BYD Seal seems to have decent reviews and is a lot cheaper on the work lease scheme than the Tesla so will be interesting to see how he gets on with it.

I’ve not driven one, but they seem to be held in quite high regard. He may be pleasantly surprised. I’ve always quite liked the look of the Polestar 2, but was overruled by the wife who wanted an SUV shape (higher off the ground) so we ended up with the MG ZS EV. It’s been surprisingly sound so far.

I will look again at what Polestar and BYD have when it’s time to hand the MG back. Polestar seem to have drifted up into the luxury end of the market however, I don’t think I could afford anything else in their range.

The MG is perfectly functional and well screwed together, and adaptive cruise control is a game-changer, but it’s not exciting enough to keep past the end of the PCP.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

The problem is that once you have refused to buy anything from either Elon Musk or from China. there might not be much left worth having. China is a big player in electric cars and loads of other electrical stuff, as well as the cheap goods that are rather easier to avoid.

Well. I'm not boycotting China. I'm just refusing to own a tesla or be shot into space on one of his exploding rockets

 

[chickens]

The problem is that once you have refused to buy anything from either Elon Musk or from China. there might not be much left worth having. China is a big player in electric cars and loads of other electrical stuff, as well as the cheap goods that are rather easier to avoid.

There’s the Korean marques (Hyundai/Kia) plus European: BMW, Mercedes and the VW Group (Porsche, Seat, Skoda, VW, Audi) and Renault

Then Japanese (Nissan, Honda)

There’s even Jaguar (India) - the iPace was an incredible piece of work that they bizarrely released, and then did barely nothing to it apart from a minor facelift. There are lots of long-term owners on the various EV forums who genuinely rave about them.

I’d say you’re still in with some decent choices, even discounting China and Tesla.

 

[Surf's Up]

Got my eye on this sexy little e-townabout.....