alfredmizen
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What's their policy on PORN EP ?
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Electoral reform needed now
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What's their policy on PORN EP ?
As far as I am aware, they are not keen on deforestation!
alfredmizen
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- Mar 11, 2015
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Couldn't vote for them myself then , I like it to look like a cat with its throat cut !!
I think you will find the Green's prefer it to look more like Terry Waite's allotment.
alfredmizen
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- Mar 11, 2015
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I think we'll leave it at that, there are only so many pubic hair analogies that we can use
Return of the Rev
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Hitler got in without pr
NOT LAST NIGHT I SHOULD ADD
NOT LAST NIGHT I SHOULD ADD
I've always been very wary of electoral reforms and changes to the constitution, mainly because I feel it is always being put forward to benefit the party that is putting it forward - like the tories with their boundary changes, for example.
The House of Lords has many critics - and lord knows it has many faults - but in spite of all that, I think it has served the country well over the years, and I haven't been in favour of replacing it with another elected body - but maybe now that time has come, the time for an upper house, elected by PR.
The House of Lords has many critics - and lord knows it has many faults - but in spite of all that, I think it has served the country well over the years, and I haven't been in favour of replacing it with another elected body - but maybe now that time has come, the time for an upper house, elected by PR.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
I completely understand the FPTP system, and I'm no great fan of PR, but it does seem a tad strange if you look at it in a "seats per vote" way. SNP got 1 seat roughly every 26000 votes, yet the Greens got only 1 from just over a million votes, and UKIP got only 1 seat over from nearly 4 million!
Bruntburger
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Split the country into different nations with different politics, values and beliefs. Then choose where you want to live. Only need one move and then you'll never be disillusioned again.
warmleyseagull
Well-known member
Replacing one flawed system with another is not the answer. If we had PR today we would either have a Conservative/UKIP government with Farage and in the Cabinet or the unholy alliance of 'not the right' with Milband as PM after losing net 26 seats. Can't see how that is any more democratic than what we have now.
Problem with PR is that it reverses the problem; Yes, minor parties have too little influence in FPTP but they get too much as the marginal part(ies) in PR. Voteres end up with a mash mash of compromised policies that no-one voted for (as we have had for five years). Law of Unintended Consequences applies.
Problem with PR is that it reverses the problem; Yes, minor parties have too little influence in FPTP but they get too much as the marginal part(ies) in PR. Voteres end up with a mash mash of compromised policies that no-one voted for (as we have had for five years). Law of Unintended Consequences applies.
whosthedaddy
striker256
Electoral reform needs to be considered at the very least, it's not democratic in any shape or form to have UKIP achieve 3,700,000 votes and only win ONE seat.
And yes, to be clear that's more than the SNP got .
And yes, to be clear that's more than the SNP got .
Same applies with FTPT though. We now have a government for the next five years which only about 40% (or slightly less) of the voters wanted, and you can bet your boots that they will be bringing in legislation that much of the 60 odd % that didn't vote for them won't like.
- Nov 11, 2009
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voted Tory, but always ave believed that PR is the ONLY truly reflective and fair system.
Its no suprise why so many feel disenfranchised with politics. FPTP is corrupt
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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electoral reform will need to be complete reform, not just try to shoehorn some form of PR onto our existing structure. otherwise the "unfairness" is just diluted a bit without actually being addressed fully. the full impact and scope of change needs to be put in the open for debate, maybe we are happy to directly elect the PM, or cast aside local constituencies in favour of regions and party list.
- Jan 3, 2012
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That's what has been happening in Germany for nearly 70 years since the allies imposed proportional representation on that country after the war. And look what a mess they're in.
Point of order. Only Herr Tubthumper is allowed to comment on what does / doesn't happen in Germany.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,877
yep.
So many things need changing. The privy council (which Labour abused). The House of Lords - directly elected or completely independent like the judiciary.
The system just doesn't work anymore.
PR is a bit of a red herring I think.
That is a very interesting stat. Wherever those votes were, it appears most were not in the 20 or so most marginal seats.
kevo
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- Mar 8, 2008
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I'm just trying to get my head round it myself... There were obviously a large number of Lib Dem defectors so this may account for a lot of the Labour gains in that figure (most of them surely wouldn't have voted Tory). But this probably didn't translate into seats (except for the odd gain from the Lib Dems) because in a lot of cases these seats would have been either existing :Labour ones anyway or Tory strongholds.