Educating the East End

[EDS]

Isn't joking seriously a paradox?

Sorry us uneducated ones don't know what you mean. But no I find ofah very funny and it is definitely my top sitcom ever. I am currently halfway through David Jason's autobiography. He used to live above a hairdressers in Thornton heath, rather him than me but you learn something new everyday.

 

[EDS]

I'm more of a Terry and June man myself x

Its hard to know when you bare taking the pish.

What's your lecture about? Finance and football or just finance?

 

[El Presidente]

Its hard to know when you bare taking the pish.

What's your lecture about? Finance and football or just finance?

Contrasting the democratisation of the NFL system, which is socialist in nature to the greed is good approach of La Liga and Premier League from a finance point of view

 

[BadFish]

Great response, stick to playing with your didgeridoo

I thought it was the perfect response for someone speaking for twenty two million people.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Why should people have to move out of their homes? Also I have seen areas that were not dumps that have go downhill seriously in the last twenty years.
I now have an house in Mottingham, but is it not a bit unfair that people who cannot afford to move as left feeling like outsiders, especially the elderly people.

And here we have it , your innate snobbery finally comes to the fore , you've touched on it with the 'mouthy chav' comments , that you wouldn't dream of making about an African (screaming into a mobile phone at 300decibels), basically all the poorer white people who are uncomfortable with immigration can f*ck off because they don't work or save any money.

A chav to me is just an artless person. Not all chavs are poor and not all the working class are chavs (obviously I would have thought). Too many people in this country settle for shit music, shit food, shit literature, shit drama and shit newspapers. And WAY too many people blame everyone but themselves for their lack of work or success. If being against that makes me snobbish I'm happy to accept but you know as well as I do there's no point being a football fan if you hate the working classes. What a pointless, self defeating existence that would be, spending every Saturday with people you can't stand.

What you both don't explain is WHY people should be afraid of their new neighbour who looks a bit different, cooks differently, prays differently. Since we've managed to establish that I can get though Tower Hamlets and back four times a week without bumping in to anything I think NSC can take my word for it that not every flat is full of 35 Romanian labourers or Somali drug gangs or terrorists. So come on, why is it so terrible for the elderly to be stuck next to a quiet Pakistani family rather than the East End equivalent of the Philpots?

You write like a white person never picked up a knife or sold drugs or committed an act of terror (hello Noethern Ireland). Like the white drug gang from Liverpool who terrorised a Hove council flat resident in to selling for them don't really exist. I bet you think the Krays were lovely people who were great to their mum and you could both regale NSC for hours with tales of their kindly, rascally japes before you hopped on to the white flight bus to Croydon and Haywards Heath.

 

[Bry Nylon]

I am currently halfway through David Jason's autobiography. He used to live above a hairdressers in Thornton heath

I used to live above a hairdressers. Every Christmas we'd have turkey with all the trimmings.

 

[EDS]

A chav to me is just an artless person. Not all chavs are poor and not all the working class are chavs (obviously I would have thought). Too many people in this country settle for shit music, shit food, shit literature, shit drama and shit newspapers. And WAY too many people blame everyone but themselves for their lack of work or success. If being against that makes me snobbish I'm happy to accept but you know as well as I do there's no point being a football fan if you hate the working classes. What a pointless, self defeating existence that would be, spending every Saturday with people you can't stand.


What you both don't explain is WHY people should be afraid of their new neighbour who looks a bit different, cooks differently, prays differently. Since we've managed to establish that I can get though Tower Hamlets and back four times a week without bumping in to anything I think NSC can take my word for it that not every flat is full of 35 Romanian labourers or Somali drug gangs or terrorists. So come on, why is it so terrible for the elderly to be stuck next to a quiet Pakistani family rather than the East End equivalent of the Philpots?


You write like a white person never picked up a knife or sold drugs or committed an act of terror (hello Noethern Ireland). Like the white drug gang from Liverpool who terrorised a Hove council flat resident in to selling for them don't really exist. I bet you think the Krays were lovely people who were great to their mum and you could both regale NSC for hours with tales of their kindly, rascally japes before you hopped on to the white flight bus to Croydon and Haywards Heath.

So you think I feel like this because of a lack of success? So maybe you are the one generalising and making assumptions, whereas the things I say are based on what I have seen or know. Whether you believe me or not I am more than comfortable, maybe by more luck than judgment but there you have it.


"a quiet Pakistani family" This to me says everything about your argument, insofar as you know f#$k all. There is not one Pakistani family, the white British population there is 16%, yes 16%. Now that may not be a problem for a loudmouthed middle class ponce who lives in Sussex, but for someone who has lived in that area all their lives to see it change so vastly, is not a nice feeling.

I have two thoughts about the Krays. 1, I was not around then but I know they were not the types to sell drugs to kids or burgle your house. 2, The more I read and learn about them and members of the establishment/pop singers etc and young boys I hope they rot and I mean rot in hell. Genuinely.
You seem to think I am racist but I really am not. Indeed what I said about my girlfriend and my friends is the truth. I used to be a drum and bass mc and went out all over the place mc'ing and played out at all the big events, the only reason I stopped is I started earning more in my business and having to drive to Bristol, Hastings or Manchester does not mix well with that. You do not become involved in that scene if you are racist, the last wedding I went to I was the only white man there. The rest were all Jamaican or mixed race. I regularly used to go to reggae/dancehall clubs and events etc but you and the other **** have the cheek to tell me I am prejudiced. One lives in Sussex and the other in Australia lol.
Let me ask ALL OF YOU a genuine question, imagine if tomorrow Brighton became a place where only 16-40% of the population were white British. Where if you get on a bus, you are the only British person on there. Where your child is a minority in school, I could go on about the changes but as you pop into London four times a week you know more than me. Its not about being prejudiced or racist, its only having people who want to mix with us here, if you want to keep to your own communities and speak your own languages, have your own laws and critiscise how we do things, then quite simply **** off back where you came from.
You are the ignorant one not me. If you think it is only the white British people nsaying about this you are wrong, there are black British people who have been here years who have lots to say on the subject.
Anyway I have spent to long writing about this and its getting nowhere.

 

[BN9 BHA]

I used to live above a hairdressers. Every Christmas we'd have turkey with all the trimmings.

I have really got to stop reading NSC when I'm eating my breakfast.

 

[EDS]

I used to live above a hairdressers. Every Christmas we'd have turkey with all the trimmings.

 

[BN9 BHA]

So you think I feel like this because of a lack of success? So maybe you are the one generalising and making assumptions, whereas the things I say are based on what I have seen or know. Whether you believe me or not I am more than comfortable, maybe by more luck than judgment but there you have it.


"a quiet Pakistani family" This to me says everything about your argument, insofar as you know f#$k all. There is not one Pakistani family, the white British population there is 16%, yes 16%. Now that may not be a problem for a loudmouthed middle class ponce who lives in Sussex, but for someone who has lived in that area all their lives to see it change so vastly, is not a nice feeling.

I have two thoughts about the Krays. 1, I was not around then but I know they were not the types to sell drugs to kids or burgle your house. 2, The more I read and learn about them and members of the establishment/pop singers etc and young boys I hope they rot and I mean rot in hell. Genuinely.
You seem to think I am racist but I really am not. Indeed what I said about my girlfriend and my friends is the truth. I used to be a drum and bass mc and went out all over the place mc'ing and played out at all the big events, the only reason I stopped is I started earning more in my business and having to drive to Bristol, Hastings or Manchester does not mix well with that. You do not become involved in that scene if you are racist, the last wedding I went to I was the only white man there. The rest were all Jamaican or mixed race. I regularly used to go to reggae/dancehall clubs and events etc but you and the other **** have the cheek to tell me I am prejudiced. One lives in Sussex and the other in Australia lol.
Let me ask ALL OF YOU a genuine question, imagine if tomorrow Brighton became a place where only 16-40% of the population were white British. Where if you get on a bus, you are the only British person on there. Where your child is a minority in school, I could go on about the changes but as you pop into London four times a week you know more than me. Its not about being prejudiced or racist, its only having people who want to mix with us here, if you want to keep to your own communities and speak your own languages, have your own laws and critiscise how we do things, then quite simply **** off back where you came from.
You are the ignorant one not me. If you think it is only the white British people nsaying about this you are wrong, there are black British people who have been here years who have lots to say on the subject.
Anyway I have spent to long writing about this and its getting nowhere.

MC EDS IS IN THE HOUSE, LETS F...... HEAR SOME NOIIIIIISE

 

[EDS]

MC EDS IS IN THE HOUSE, LETS F...... HEAR SOME NOIIIIIISE

I knew you would say something lol, I would have put money on it.

 

[BN9 BHA]

I knew you would say something lol, I would have put money on it.

I'm up early and smiling today

I would have highlighted the MC bit in your post and added a Drum n bass YouTube video if I knew how to do it.

 

[BadFish]

So you think I feel like this because of a lack of success? So maybe you are the one generalising and making assumptions, whereas the things I say are based on what I have seen or know. Whether you believe me or not I am more than comfortable, maybe by more luck than judgment but there you have it.


"a quiet Pakistani family" This to me says everything about your argument, insofar as you know f#$k all. There is not one Pakistani family, the white British population there is 16%, yes 16%. Now that may not be a problem for a loudmouthed middle class ponce who lives in Sussex, but for someone who has lived in that area all their lives to see it change so vastly, is not a nice feeling.

I have two thoughts about the Krays. 1, I was not around then but I know they were not the types to sell drugs to kids or burgle your house. 2, The more I read and learn about them and members of the establishment/pop singers etc and young boys I hope they rot and I mean rot in hell. Genuinely.
You seem to think I am racist but I really am not. Indeed what I said about my girlfriend and my friends is the truth. I used to be a drum and bass mc and went out all over the place mc'ing and played out at all the big events, the only reason I stopped is I started earning more in my business and having to drive to Bristol, Hastings or Manchester does not mix well with that. You do not become involved in that scene if you are racist, the last wedding I went to I was the only white man there. The rest were all Jamaican or mixed race. I regularly used to go to reggae/dancehall clubs and events etc but you and the other **** have the cheek to tell me I am prejudiced. One lives in Sussex and the other in Australia lol.
Let me ask ALL OF YOU a genuine question, imagine if tomorrow Brighton became a place where only 16-40% of the population were white British. Where if you get on a bus, you are the only British person on there. Where your child is a minority in school, I could go on about the changes but as you pop into London four times a week you know more than me. Its not about being prejudiced or racist, its only having people who want to mix with us here, if you want to keep to your own communities and speak your own languages, have your own laws and critiscise how we do things, then quite simply **** off back where you came from.
You are the ignorant one not me. If you think it is only the white British people nsaying about this you are wrong, there are black British people who have been here years who have lots to say on the subject.
Anyway I have spent to long writing about this and its getting nowhere.

I haven't called you racist or prejudiced. I just think you are barking up the wrong tree when you are blaming the ills of working class Britain on migrants and immigration. I think you should be complaining about poverty and the causes of poverty as these are far more important factors in the problems of the working classes and underclasses. Your reasons for blaming migration are you own.

My further point is that Multiculturalism per say is not that bad a notion. It works in many places around the world and just because there are a few boroughs in London that are struggling with social issues it doesn't not mean that multiculturalism fails as a concept. The fact I do not live in London is neither here nor there in this argument, the fact that I live in a street with an African Muslim over the road, some white Aussies one side, Greeks the other Chinese migrants up the road and an old Italian Australian up the road also suggests (along with the festival we hold every year to celebrate the cultures in my area) that multiculturalism can work given the right parameters. My experience is that the places that different races and cultures experience problems are also those that are stuck in poverty and a lack of resources.

To me all this points to the fact that poverty is far more of an issue in these areas that multiculturalism. the problem is that is far easier to blame the foreigners than tackle the issues that are causing poverty and lack of investment.

To answer your other question, I am often on buses and trains where i am the only British person, My children go to a school where they are the only British person and it really isn't a problem.

 

[EDS]

To answer your other question, I am often on buses and trains where i am the only British person, My children go to a school where they are the only British person and it really isn't a problem.

ERM that could be to do with the fact you live in AUSTRALIA

 

[BadFish]

ERM that could be to do with the fact you live in AUSTRALIA

Yes and it's not so bad.

I had a funny feeling this was going to be the bit you responded to [emoji1] [emoji85] [emoji86] [emoji87]

 

[EDS]

Yes and it's not so bad.

I had a funny feeling this was going to be the bit you responded to [emoji1] [emoji85] [emoji86] [emoji87]

Because it hopeless, you are comparing living in Australia to London. Its NOWHERE near the same. The way things are going though I will be moving further out. The horse has already bolted.

 

[BadFish]

Because it hopeless, you are comparing living in Australia to London. Its NOWHERE near the same. The way things are going though I will be moving further out. The horse has already bolted.

So, thanks for your response to my tongue in cheek aside (hard to pull off on a forum I know). What do you make of the main thrust of my argument?

 

[EDS]

I haven't called you racist or prejudiced. I just think you are barking up the wrong tree when you are blaming the ills of working class Britain on migrants and immigration. I think you should be complaining about poverty and the causes of poverty as these are far more important factors in the problems of the working classes and underclasses. Your reasons for blaming migration are you own.

Even though immigration has had a terrible effect on the manual work available that is not my only problem. Also they say that immigrants pay their way, not in London they don't. Not all of them but when you have a family of 4,5,6, etc all on benefits, free healthcare, rent, council tax, schooling and even fecking interpretors (now that pished me off) how many working immigrants will it take to pay for them alone?

My further point is that Multiculturalism per say is not that bad a notion. It works in many places around the world and just because there are a few boroughs in London that are struggling with social issues it doesn't not mean that multiculturalism fails as a concept. The fact I do not live in London is neither here nor there in this argument, the fact that I live in a street with an African Muslim over the road, some white Aussies one side, Greeks the other Chinese migrants up the road and an old Italian Australian up the road also suggests (along with the festival we hold every year to celebrate the cultures in my area) that multiculturalism can work given the right parameters. My experience is that the places that different races and cultures experience problems are also those that are stuck in poverty and a lack of resources.

the Australians are still in the majority though and I would not mind betting that the foreigners there(including you) want to mix with the Australians and be a part of Australia, not to make Australia be a part of them?
To me all this points to the fact that poverty is far more of an issue in these areas that multiculturalism. the problem is that is far easier to blame the foreigners than tackle the issues that are causing poverty and lack of investment.

London has always had a problem with poverty.

To answer your other question, I am often on buses and trains where i am the only British person, My children go to a school where they are the only British person and it really isn't a problem.

Answers above.

 

[BadFish]

Answers above.

Missed it.

 

[EDS]

Missed it.

Look where I have quoted you, I have responded in BOLD