Educating the East End

[User removed 4]

I don't agree with a lot of Bushy's opinions on this subject but I will agree that it's very easy for the wealthy middle classes to adopt a very liberal attitute towards migration because frankly it wont affect them.

If a relatively wealthy Londoner for instance finds that their children are worse off in an inner city state school due to language issues in the classroom, poor standard of teaching ect they can simply move to the suberbs or the commuter belt, this happens on a huge scale and is an option not afforded to the poor. This is exactly what my parents did 25 years ago and i'm sure i'll follow a suit.

I love London, it's diversity, multiculturalism and feel most waves of migration have added something to the fabric of the community but as someone from a relatively wealthy middle class background i've never had to deal with the negativities, sure I've lived in deprived areas but through choice and moved freely with no obsticles. Essentially it's unfair for me to sneer at white working class Londoners who are very negative towards imigrants and imigration generally when they may experience issues that simply dont effect me.

well put , whereabouts did your parents move out from ?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Why should people have to move out of their homes? Also I have seen areas that were not dumps that have go downhill seriously in the last twenty years.
I now have an house in Mottingham, but is it not a bit unfair that people who cannot afford to move as left feeling like outsiders, especially the elderly people.

My dad's elderly and managed to move himself to France just fine, physically and financially. A life spent working and saving helped.

 

[User removed 4]

Though I certainly used a phrase I thought would spur debate on immigration this is also partly the point of the thread. The way to get yourself out of living in a dump which is filing with people you feel uncomfortable with is education. Education leads to a good job and a middle class lifestyle, or at least the option of it, as well as getting an insight in to other cultures so that, frankly, you feel more comfortable with them.

One thing stopping you getting this education may be a class full of people who have English as a second language but another is having it disturbed by a mouthy chav with an obsession with celebrity culture and shit music.

And the people who don't have the required educational ability or intelligence to pursue this middle class nirvana ? The bus drivers and mechanics etc , I take it they can go and f*ck themselves then ? Tough sh*t for being too thick for a media studies degree I suppose

 

[User removed 4]

My dad's elderly and managed to move himself to France just fine, physically and financially. A life spent working and saving helped.

And here we have it , your innate snobbery finally comes to the fore , you've touched on it with the 'mouthy chav' comments , that you wouldn't dream of making about an African (screaming into a mobile phone at 300decibels), basically all the poorer white people who are uncomfortable with immigration can f*ck off because they don't work or save any money.

 

[EDS]

My dad's elderly and managed to move himself to France just fine, physically and financially. A life spent working and saving helped.

The point I'm making you mug, is elderly people should not have to feel the need to move from there areas. So if an elderly person has not been as financially successful then **** em I suppose.

 

[The Grockle]

well put , whereabouts did your parents move out from ?

My Dad moved back to London after the war to Hampstead then on to Notting Hill/bayswater in the mid fifties (was right in the middle of the riots of 58) to Clerkenwell then started our family in Herne hill, they loved Herne hill but the schools were awful back then so was fortunate enough to move to Reigate in the 80's. My mum was a country girl who moved to London in the early 60's around Crystal Palace and Tulse Hill.

Funny enough people would give anything to raise a family in Herne hill these days, its a lovely place but back in the late 70's 80's it had a lot of social problems.

 

[EDS]

Funny enough people would give anything to raise a family in Herne hill these days, its a lovely place but back in the late 70's 80's it had a lot of social problems.

Would they? Just goes to show how differently some people can view the same area.

 

[brightonrock]

As a side note, we're 120+ posts into this thread, is there going to be any attempt whatsoever to discuss the programme this thread was about? Or is it just going to continue as a dumping ground for racial and class hatred? Just curious like.

 

[W.C.]

And the people who don't have the required educational ability or intelligence to pursue this middle class nirvana ? The bus drivers and mechanics etc , I take it they can go and f*ck themselves then ? Tough sh*t for being too thick for a media studies degree I suppose

Are you calling bus drivers thick?

 

[W.C.]

As a side note, we're 120+ posts into this thread, is there going to be any attempt whatsoever to discuss the programme this thread was about? Or is it just going to continue as a dumping ground for racial and class hatred? Just curious like.

There is literally no point. Bushy et al are like the Terminator. That's why so many threads are ruined by them and their politics. They. Never. Stop.

 

[User removed 4]

My Dad moved back to London after the war to Hampstead then on to Notting Hill/bayswater in the mid fifties (was right in the middle of the riots of 58) to Clerkenwell then started our family in Herne hill, they loved Herne hill but the schools were awful back then so was fortunate enough to move to Reigate in the 80's. My mum was a country girl who moved to London in the early 60's around Crystal Palace and Tulse Hill.

Funny enough people would give anything to raise a family in Herne hill these days, its a lovely place but back in the late 70's 80's it had a lot of social problems.

Really ? I don't think so mate.

 

[Frutos]

As a side note, we're 120+ posts into this thread, is there going to be any attempt whatsoever to discuss the programme this thread was about? Or is it just going to continue as a dumping ground for racial and class hatred? Just curious like.

Sadly unlikely.

As is becoming increasingly common, the race argument has taken over.

 

[The Grockle]

Really ? I don't think so mate.

I know loads of ordinary londoners who have been priced out to the suburbs who would love to live in that area. Like anywhere in the capital it has its good and bad parts but on the whole its a lovelly part of central south london.

Do you spend much time in London out of interest, it sometimes seem you have an outsiders view of places.

 

[User removed 4]

I know loads of ordinary londoners who have been priced out to the suburbs who would love to live in that area. Like anywhere in the capital it has its good and bad parts but on the whole its a lovelly part of central south london.

Do you spend much time in London out of interest, it sometimes seem you have an outsiders view of places[/B].

Yes I do , I'm there every day and I'm out and about socialising a couple of times a month , with respect , if you think Herne hill is a 'lovely part of south london' it would seem that like a lot of people brought up outside London, you have a bit of a starry eyed outsiders view .

 

[User removed 4]

I know loads of ordinary londoners who have been priced out to the suburbs who would love to live in that area. Like anywhere in the capital it has its good and bad parts but on the whole its a lovelly part of central south london.

Do you spend much time in London out of interest, it sometimes seem you have an outsiders view of places.

With kids ?

 

[Husty]

And here we have it , your innate snobbery finally comes to the fore , you've touched on it with the 'mouthy chav' comments , that you wouldn't dream of making about an African (screaming into a mobile phone at 300decibels), basically all the poorer white people who are uncomfortable with immigration can f*ck off because they don't work or save any money.

Bushy has hit the nail on the head here.

 

[The Grockle]

Yes I do , I'm there every day and I'm out and about socialising a couple of times a month , with respect , if you think Herne hill is a 'lovely part of south london' it would seem that like a lot of people brought up outside London, you have a bit of a starry eyed outsiders view .

Hmmm Don't take this the wrong way but I think you might be guilty of thinking that just because you were born in London you are the authority on every area of London? Do you genuinely know the area other than driving through the slightly run down thoroughfares? I imagine you will struggle to accept this but there is certainly areas of London you will have an outsiders perception of as it's a vast and varied place.

 

[BadFish]

I don't agree with a lot of Bushy's opinions on this subject but I will agree that it's very easy for the wealthy middle classes to adopt a very liberal attitute towards migration because frankly it wont affect them.

If a relatively wealthy Londoner for instance finds that their children are worse off in an inner city state school due to language issues in the classroom, poor standard of teaching ect they can simply move to the suberbs or the commuter belt, this happens on a huge scale and is an option not afforded to the poor. This is exactly what my parents did 25 years ago and i'm sure i'll follow a suit.

I love London, it's diversity, multiculturalism and feel most waves of migration have added something to the fabric of the community but as someone from a relatively wealthy middle class background i've never had to deal with the negativities, sure I've lived in deprived areas but through choice and moved freely with no obsticles. Essentially it's unfair for me to sneer at white working class Londoners who are very negative towards imigrants and imigration generally when they may experience issues that simply dont effect me.

This suggests that the problems experienced in these kinds of areas see more down to poverty and a lack of decent education and products than multiculturalism and immigration and on this point I whole heartedly agree with you. I think it is folly to blame the woes of certain areas on multiculturalism when clearly in some areas and some guises it works okay.

 

[BadFish]

You are right, I should have took the advice of move very seriously. I could do what he has done and move to that well known multicultural country, Australia.

Australia is extremely proud of its multiculturalism The indigenous population may be the exception but apart from the of flash point all us immigrants rub along quite nicely. The problems occur in areas of poverty and the problems are blamed on one group of immigrants or other by the hard of thinking much like anywhere else really.

 

[BadFish]

Hmmm Don't take this the wrong way but I think you might be guilty of thinking that just because you were born in London you are the authority on every area of London? Do you genuinely know the area other than driving through the slightly run down thoroughfares? I imagine you will struggle to accept this but there is certainly areas of London you will have an outsiders perception of as it's a vast and varied place.

Bushy is the authority on all of London and can use this to wax lyrical on any subject you care to mention. You must understand this before engaging in discussion with him. You may be from London or have lived in London but you can never be as London as our leafy Sussex dwelling barrow boy.