Ed Milliband speech..

[Don Quixote]

If the unions would have supported Dianne Abbott she wouldn't have got in. Ed Miliband did not get in just down to the union vote. The union members do have their own brain you know. They can make a decision for themselves.

 

[ROSM]

Ohhh. Time of the month?

If you think that the unions sustained campaign to get E Milliband in didn't influence the wafer thin margin of the result, You are the one living in the night garden.

Unlike most of the union members, I didn't get sucked into thier campaign for Student Ed and voted for D milliband has he has far wider appeal to the electorate. Something quite important if you want to win an election and something the Tories learnt when getting Cameron over Davies.

And WTF do you mean, i''f there was an e-mail which I doubt''. Do you really think I could be arsed to sit and type that?

As I posted above. If the unions had back D Milliband who do you think would have got in?

I can see Clapham's point though. If we go up this year and have 50 points at home and 42 points away people are not going to say that it's the home form that got us promoted even though it is the larger points total (because 50 points at home is not outstanding). They will see the combined total as the factor.

As for the MPs votes, there are multiplied by a factor which gives them greater standing in the overall total than there mere number would suggest is fair. At least the unions no longer have a block vote and a leader is not chosen purely by the MPs. That to me is as democtratic a process for electing a leader than I have seen in most political parties. It may not be perfect but then show me a process that is?

As for Union backing - I too was written to by my union but as a member of the labour party I ignored them and made my own choice. This leadership debate has been covered in greater depth by the media than any other I can recall (question time with all the candidates, newnsight pieces, sky news hustings coverage etc) so a simple letter by a union whilst having an effect will in my view not have been as decisive a factor as previously it may have been.

 

[ROSM]

We have a massive right wing press in this country, mostly foreign owned. They fill their columns with lies and mistruths all year round in an effort to influence the entire population to vote Tory (except where Labour decide to cow tow to big business). I don't recall you piling in against this tactic. Freedom of the press and all that are so precious to you Tory types, I wonder why?

and this was visible in the famous rant between Adam Boulton and Alistair Campbell after the election. some months before the election, Rupert Murdoch (who was unimpressed with CMD) asked his newspaper and tv news editors and political journos who to support. The feeling to support the conservatives was put forward by Trevor Kavanagh of the Sun and Adam Boulton whilst many others didn't agree. A decision was made to support the Tories and the then sun political editor resigned. Murdoch told Kavanagh and Boulton that if the Tories didn't get in, that he would hold them accountable.

Campbell knew this and so his comment about it being clear that Boulton wanted a Tory government was made with that in mind. I think Boulton's reaction was more in fear of his job than anything else.

 

[clapham_gull]

Ohhh. Time of the month?

If you think that the unions sustained campaign to get E Milliband in didn't influence the wafer thin margin of the result, You are the one living in the night garden.

Unlike most of the union members, I didn't get sucked into thier campaign for Student Ed and voted for D milliband has he has far wider appeal to the electorate. Something quite important if you want to win an election and something the Tories learnt when getting Cameron over Davies.

And WTF do you mean, i''f there was an e-mail which I doubt''. Do you really think I could be arsed to sit and type that?

As I posted above. If the unions had back D Milliband who do you think would have got in?

I was talking about an email to me.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Whatever the result and regardless of political parties, will the nation actually lose a significant and important figure with David returning to the back benches?

I think so.........

 

[Don Quixote]

Whatever the result and regardless of political parties, will the nation actually lose a significant and important figure with David returning to the back benches?

I think so.........

He will be back.

 

[Stoo82]

He will be back.

He will, and he will be the next Labour leader.

 

[ROSM]

Whatever the result and regardless of political parties, will the nation actually lose a significant and important figure with David returning to the back benches?

I think so.........

I think so. I just wonder if things would have been different if he'd said, up front to his brother, that if he lost to him he wouldn't serve in the shadow cabinet.

 

[Don Quixote]

He will, and he will be the next Labour leader.

Depends on who wins the next election. If Ed wins I don't think David Miliband will ever be leader. If he doesn't then David Miliband will almost certainly become leader.

 

[Gwylan]

Depends on who wins the next election. If Ed wins I don't think David Miliband will ever be leader. If he doesn't then David Miliband will almost certainly become leader.

I bet he doesn't.

DM bottled his chance to take on Brown. He then lost an election that was his to win. I can't see the Labour party electing someone who, rightly or wrongly, is seen as a loser.

 

[Stoo82]

I bet he doesn't.

DM bottled his chance to take on Brown. He then lost an election that was his to win. I can't see the Labour party electing someone who, rightly or wrongly, is seen as a loser.

I find it amusing that Ed was he one who told him not to take out Brown. I not Labour supporter but he must be a talented politician.

 

[xenophon]

Ed Milliband speech..

What did he say to Gromit?

 

[Collar Feeler]

I closed my eyes and it sounded like I was listening to a young Tony Blair, which was rather depressing. Nothing new in what he said, usual politicians buzz words and promises.

 

[Pavilionaire]

It's all a bit depressing really, and sounds a bit like the England football team.

"Yes, we made mistakes"
"Yes, we need to change" etc etc.

How about leaving that bollocks aside and simply articulating some policies you plan to introduce that will really change things for the better?

In 13 years Labour tinkered with stuff and spent money we didn't have without leaving any lasting positive legacy.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

It's all a bit depressing really, and sounds a bit like the England football team.

"Yes, we made mistakes"
"Yes, we need to change" etc etc.

How about leaving that bollocks aside and simply articulating some policies you plan to introduce that will really change things for the better?

In 13 years Labour tinkered with stuff and spent money we didn't have without leaving any lasting positive legacy.

Minimum wage.
Smoking ban.
Ban on fox hunting.
150+ modern hospitals built.
NHS waiting lists down.
Free bus travel for over 60s.
Doubled spending on resources for each student.
Exam results impoved year on year.


Etc
Etc
Etc

 

[Pavilionaire]

Ban on fox hunting? How has that affected the lives of ANYONE who reads this board??
Smoking ban? Ho hum. Breath a bit of smoke in a pub that's filled with a bit of atmosphere, or breathe clean air in a pub (no doubt soon to be closed down).

As for hospitals, Worthing A&E / Maternity were THIS close to closing, Southlands has been downgraded as has Horsham and St Richard's so no real plusses there.

Students? Too many of them doing micky mouse degrees.

Exam results really improving every year? Do me a favour.

The real legacy is being in a shit war we can't get out of, a housing shortage, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, and CCTV / speed camera everywhere.

 

[vulture]

liebour are wankers end off

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

But a newspaper is an optional purchase which an individual undertakes, and is likely to pick one that matches his/her preferences. Union membership is often (in my wife's experiences) foisted upon someone and is in many vocations compulsory.

All forms of closed shops in the UK are strictly illegal under section 137(1)(a) of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 (c. 52).