Ed Miliband - Brassneck?

[Biscuit]

I am a Tory voter,but I don't know what some of the Libdem M.P.'s and their supporters want....Either a chance to get some of their policies through,compromise on some and having to give way on others or it is that or another 90 years in the political wilderness.
On reflection,they have probably got so used to spouting forth policies knowing that they will never have to face the responsibility of actually putting them into practice,that now they have some power they can't cope with the reality of Government.
Back to growing beards and wearing sandals for some of them I think!

I think you hold the LibDems in the same contempt most tories do (inc Cameron et al). As for me I actually quite liked them before they turned their back on their principals at the sniff of some power. I don't think Politics is all about winning elections (although it helps ) I think trying to change the world for the better and working towards instilling the principals you and your supporters stand for is more important than bequiving all important values just for office. So in that respect they've totally lost all my respect, for the same reason you think they did the right thing. Funny world politics.

 

[Jim D]

If Brown and his cronies hadn't been so pig headed when it came to coalition talks then it would be Labour in a power share with the Lib Dems rather than the Tories.

Now they're showing how desperate they are to regain power and are probably regretting not having got rid of Brown during the talks.

That was Balls

 

[Biscuit]

That was Balls

And Brown did say he would stand down in September, leaving the post open to a possible Lib PM.

 

[Icy Gull]

We are talking about NSC's political party of choice, tread carfully if you don't want a tirade of abuse.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Alright, Labour are flirting with the disaffected Lib Dems in the coalition, and it's all fairly cynical and ultimately pointless, but I'd hardly say that was reason to call them a shambles. You are right about the decent policy alternatives though. Then again, having no policies of their own hasn't done the Tories much harm has it? In fact, they're running the show while the wet Lib Dems are taking all the flak for it.

And the Lib-dems should take the Flak.....i reckon there are a lot of party members out there regretting their "marriage" with a party who's policies are almost as far removed from their own pre-election policies that could be possible. And now to stop the "i told you the coalition would not work" critics they are having to back Tory ideas they would have never had even considered as a sole party. All in the interest of the Country?....................bah they should have joined the Consevative party because the policies they believed in will never see the light of day.
They just railroaded grass root Tory beliefs into power.....fair play to labour to try and redress the balance.

 

[house your seagull]

We are talking about NSC's political party of choice, tread carfully if you don't want a tirade of abuse.

you're kidding right?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

if riots in parliament square, this mad coalition, a f***ing lisping posh wanker making labour look more unelectable than at anytime since foot turned up at the cenotaph in his anorak, is boring, then you need to move to some mad south american banana republic or something as it hasnt been this interesting for 13 years.

Sorry, I meant to type 'Politicians are dull at the moment', but suffered from a brain fade.

 

[vulture]

the twat will never be pm thank god.He will be fed to the wolves before 2015 and the rightfull leader his brother David will come to thr rescue.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

the twat will never be pm thank god.He will be fed to the wolves before 2015 and the rightfull leader his brother David will come to thr rescue.

Are you pissed vulture? This makes little sense!

 

[BLOCK F]

I think you hold the LibDems in the same contempt most tories do (inc Cameron et al). As for me I actually quite liked them before they turned their back on their principals at the sniff of some power. I don't think Politics is all about winning elections (although it helps ) I think trying to change the world for the better and working towards instilling the principals you and your supporters stand for is more important than bequiving all important values just for office. So in that respect they've totally lost all my respect, for the same reason you think they did the right thing. Funny world politics.

No, I don't hold them in contempt.I certainly agree with them re civil liberties and the raising of the personal tax free allowance amongst other things,but the point I was trying to make was that you really have to be in power to actually change things.You can come up with all kinds of weird and wonderful ideas when you are unlikely to have to enact them as a Government....but inevitably,the reality of being in power often dilutes what can and should be done.

 

[vulture]

Are you pissed vulture? This makes little sense!

Have a splitting headache lol....I meant Ed will never be pm and if David was Labour leader they would win the 2015 election

 

[Don Quixote]

What is Ed doing? Let's get rid and install David immediately! I cannot believe I gave this guy my first preference.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

No, I don't hold them in contempt.I certainly agree with them re civil liberties and the raising of the personal tax free allowance amongst other things,but the point I was trying to make was that you really have to be in power to actually change things.You can come up with all kinds of weird and wonderful ideas when you are unlikely to have to enact them as a Government....but inevitably,the reality of being in power often dilutes what can and should be done.

Thing is i dont think lib-dem ideas have a cat in hells chance of surfacing even though they are in "Power"..........do you?

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Alright, Labour are flirting with the disaffected Lib Dems in the coalition, and it's all fairly cynical and ultimately pointless, but I'd hardly say that was reason to call them a shambles. You are right about the decent policy alternatives though. Then again, having no policies of their own hasn't done the Tories much harm has it? In fact, they're running the show while the wet Lib Dems are taking all the flak for it.

The differnece is that when Cameron had no policies the UK wasn't having to go through austerity measures. It's very hard for Labour to oppose the cuts (and they do oppose the cuts) without setting out how they would do it.

 

[tubaman]

You can never be sure what Ed Miliband is saying because he is a politician but what makes it worse is that I'm sure his speech is dubbed. It never seems to be in time with his mouth.

 

[Biscuit]

No, I don't hold them in contempt.I certainly agree with them re civil liberties and the raising of the personal tax free allowance amongst other things,but the point I was trying to make was that you really have to be in power to actually change things.You can come up with all kinds of weird and wonderful ideas when you are unlikely to have to enact them as a Government....but inevitably,the reality of being in power often dilutes what can and should be done.

Well saying there supporters should go "Back to growing beards and wearing sandals" I took as you not having a great deal of respect for them. And in all fairness, why should you? They're like the tories sex slave, allowing them to enact all their fantasies and not complaining.

I get your point about you having to be in power to change things but that isn't always the case. Some political parties are nothing more than pressure groups and they can make real changes in policy that concerns them. I'm not suggesting that's what the LibDems are, not at all, but they should stick to their principals and not bend over backwards to agree to policies that would have given them nightmares pre-election. This is only short term gain and in years to come I think it'll cost them dear. Sure, they had a little bit of power (on paper if not reality), but I think they've surrendered the opportunity of being seen as a credible alternative now, and they're just the coalition party should the two horse race get a bit tight. Which hopefully it won't again now that people have seen that tactical voting has allowed the tories back in office.

The only bonus for me is seeing a certain type of voter (the killer combo of being a very very low earner coupled with being as thick as a plank) get f***ed over. Turkeys voting for Christmas if you ask me.

 

[Biscuit]

The differnece is that when Cameron had no policies the UK wasn't having to go through austerity measures. It's very hard for Labour to oppose the cuts (and they do oppose the cuts) without setting out how they would do it.

Oh he had policies. He just knew people wouldn't like them so kept his mouth shut and let Labour f*** themselves up. Can't blame Dave for that at all. Get in office and then see what the tories really stand for. Labour are embarrasingly weak at the moment and should be taking the tories to town over the unjust, unfair and unnecessary cuts (in tuition fees at least)

 

[Don Quixote]

It feels like Ed has sucked the life out of the party. Where is Lord Mandelson?!

 

[BLOCK F]

Well saying there supporters should go "Back to growing beards and wearing sandals" I took as you not having a great deal of respect for them. And in all fairness, why should you? They're like the tories sex slave, allowing them to enact all their fantasies and not complaining.

I get your point about you having to be in power to change things but that isn't always the case. Some political parties are nothing more than pressure groups and they can make real changes in policy that concerns them. I'm not suggesting that's what the LibDems are, not at all, but they should stick to their principals and not bend over backwards to agree to policies that would have given them nightmares pre-election. This is only short term gain and in years to come I think it'll cost them dear. Sure, they had a little bit of power (on paper if not reality), but I think they've surrendered the opportunity of being seen as a credible alternative now, and they're just the coalition party should the two horse race get a bit tight. Which hopefully it won't again now that people have seen that tactical voting has allowed the tories back in office.

The only bonus for me is seeing a certain type of voter (the killer combo of being a very very low earner coupled with being as thick as a plank) get f***ed over. Turkeys voting for Christmas if you ask me.

Couldn't resist the 'beards and sandals' jibe.Bit of stereotyping I know,but no worse than gets flung back at 'Tory' toffs or 'Loony Lefties in the Labour Party!

 

[Silent Bob]

Lib Dem Tim Farron said Labour spent years "sucking up to Rupert Murdoch and George Bush - why would any progressive even give them a second glance?"

Strange comment given the Lib Dems current position. Neoliberals criticising neoliberals for being neoliberal. Weird.