[Misc] Eco protestors now vandalising works of art

[Billy the Fish]

Disagree.
Make the same old tired protests and get very little attention from anyone
Trigger the Gammons and watch it spread like wildfire.

They are after exposure, the fact it's being shared by like-minded and enemies alike is the whole point of the protest.

To be fair this is probably a good summary of the thought process: get some attention and trigger some gammons.

I really don't think there's any more depth to it than that, it's almost like they're trying to take the format of a twitter argument and translate it into real life.

 

[Stat Brother]

I'm guessing if you're a bit gammony you're still not going to get it.
But for everyone else this feels quite tough to argue with:-

 

[jcdenton08]

I'm guessing if you're a bit gammony you're still not going to get it.
But for everyone else this feels quite tough to argue with:-

Sorry, it's difficult to understand her when she says “splidding" because I know in real life she says "splitting". Interesting the way she substitutes a 'd' for a 't' when she’s broadcasting. If you ask me, it's the behaviour of a "dosser" and a “dwad”.

 

[Seagull]

Do we really care more about Van Gogh’s sunflowers than real ones?​

Do we really care more about Van Gogh’s sunflowers than real ones? | George Monbiot

The Just Stop Oil activists are accused of tactics that will stop people listening. But ‘respectable’ protest is roundly ignored, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

 

[LamieRobertson]

Tough shit

https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/vw-climate-protesters-demand-bowl-to-urinate-and-defecate-after-gluing-themselves-to-floor/news-story/c6607e415934d4e36d3188b2d0c7e2b5

 

[1066familyman]

I'm guessing if you're a bit gammony you're still not going to get it.
But for everyone else this feels quite tough to argue with:-

I love the bit at about 1min 20.

' We're doing these [pause]. We're using these [pause] actions to get media attention....'

I can't help but insert the word ridiculous in her pauses. That's because the actions are ridiculous, which is kind of the whole point, isn't it? The message is anything but though.

I can't argue with anything she says there. All power to her elbow I say. Thank God we still have young people like her in this country. Society has always needed activists like her, and sadly, likely always will.

 

[Brian Potter]

Tough shit

https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/vw-climate-protesters-demand-bowl-to-urinate-and-defecate-after-gluing-themselves-to-floor/news-story/c6607e415934d4e36d3188b2d0c7e2b5

I like the fact the VW museum staff just shut up shop, and turned the lights and heating off before going off and leaving the protesters glued to the floor.

 

[willalbion]

Does anyone on here disagree with the science? Does anybody on here refute the claims we are in the third age of extinction? We've had an animal population loss of 70% in the last couple of decades. There is very little (no) political will to do anything about it & still some people complain about the activists/protestors/protectors and ridicule them. It's mind-blowing. People throwing soup at paintings to get media attention are not the problem. Sake.

 

[beorhthelm]

the look of the officer to the fake screams
we are far too soft on protesters obstructing the road.

 

[Swansman]

something i admire about France, the "we are the law" attitude of the police.



the look of the officer to the screams

Newsflash: pro-authoritarian neo-liberal likes when the police smashes the kneecaps of those protesting injustice and/or our unsustainable society

 

[beorhthelm]

Newsflash: pro-authoritarian neo-liberal likes when the police smashes the kneecaps of those protesting injustice and/or our unsustainable society

there are ways to protest without encroaching on other's rights. one person's claims to rights doesnt supercede others, you need balance and tradeoffs

 

[cloud]

I don't think many would disagree with wanting to save the planet and reduce consumption.

But the way they go about it is all wrong. It's just gross expecting other people to have to clear up their pi$$ and sh1t after them. Alienating the public like this is not the way to protest or get support. They are using bullying, harrassment and aggression rather than trying to gain consensus and agreement.

They take it out on the general public, rather than the main perpetrators, who are :

• Manufacturers (who think that buying 'carbon credits' mean they can then do whatever they want)
• Marketing departments, whose job is to make people overconsume
• China, making cheap tat
• Instagram, platform for over-consumption and showing off
• Chemical and plastic manufacturers, who don't care where their products end up or which wildlife gets killed
• Governments, just interested in lining their pockets

Protestors' actions are causing waste - wasted time, wasted effort, loss of earnings. Like the milk protestors, they come across as entitled, like they have never had to struggle to earn a living. No-one who has ever struggled to make ends meet would tip all that milk on the floor.

 

[Swansman]

there are ways to protest without encroaching on other's rights. one person's claims to rights doesnt supercede others, you need balance and tradeoffs

Usually there isn't, no. Those protesting for workers rights, which you would obviously have been against if you were around at the time, in the late 1800s and early 1900s, encroached the rights for employers to make someone work for 16 hours a day with very little payment. Similarly the (probable) protests against feudalism encroached the rights of the Kings people. And protests against various forms of racism, homophobia and similar encroached the rights of the racists, homophobes etc. Women suffrage protests encroached the rights of those who didn't want women to vote.

Often been tough luck for those who thinks that laws are always right, that authorities should always be respected and that no one should suffer from the nuisance of those protesting. Hopefully that tough luck will be the case over and over again.

 

[Swansman]

I don't think many would disagree with wanting to save the planet and reduce consumption.

But the way they go about it is all wrong. It's just gross expecting other people to have to clear up their pi$$ and sh1t after them. Alienating the public like this is not the way to protest or get support. They are using bullying, harrassment and aggression rather than trying to gain consensus and agreement.

They take it out on the general public, rather than the main perpetrators, who are :

• Manufacturers (who think that buying 'carbon credits' mean they can then do whatever they want)
• Marketing departments, whose job is to make people overconsume
• China, making cheap tat
• Instagram, platform for over-consumption and showing off
• Chemical and plastic manufacturers, who don't care where their products end up or which wildlife gets killed
• Governments, just interested in lining their pockets

Protestors' actions are causing waste - wasted time, wasted effort, loss of earnings. Like the milk protestors, they come across as entitled, like they have never had to struggle to earn a living. No-one who has ever struggled to make ends meet would tip all that milk on the floor.

Protests always alienate a huge part of society. If I remember it correctly, in the early 60s about half of England thought homosexuality should be a punishable offence and/or that it was a disease. Doesn't mean that brave people didn't fight oppression, however much it "alienated" the public. The suffragetes and women's political groups also alienated parts of the public in their strife for voting rights. No doubt was there in England, and elsewhere, a huge part of the public that also felt that the transition (in all its phases) from monarchy to democracy was also bad stuff.

People never liked protestors... until the protests eventually grew and made change happen, when - as usual - people retrospectively changed their version. "Oh yeah I loved gay rights, workers rights and womens rights all along *whistle*". But it doesn't take much research to find out how much opposition and anger the public showed those who fought for freedoms that we take for granted today.

 

[beorhthelm]

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Protestors' actions are causing waste - wasted time, wasted effort, loss of earnings. Like the milk protestors, they come across as entitled, like they have never had to struggle to earn a living. No-one who has ever struggled to make ends meet would tip all that milk on the floor.

its about publicity stunts now. though everyone knows about the issues, they either dont have sufficient motivation or power to act. people like stuff, no one is going give up stuff without replacement, those are more expensive if they exist. so the stunts get bigger "you must listen!!" and people tune it out.

 

[Live by the sea]

The so called Eco protesters are mainly a bunch of socialist types who have probably never done a days work in their lives . They should be locked up for causing people unnecessary delays especially to important things like hospital appts etc . I have no sympathy for them at all .

 

[rogersix]

The so called Eco protesters are mainly a bunch of socialist types who have probably never done a days work in their lives . They should be locked up for causing people unnecessary delays especially to important things like hospital appts etc . I have no sympathy for them at all .

keep it classy

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Who cares, we only have about 20 years before we all start eating each other anyway

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I don't think many would disagree with wanting to save the planet and reduce consumption.

But the way they go about it is all wrong. It's just gross expecting other people to have to clear up their pi$$ and sh1t after them. Alienating the public like this is not the way to protest or get support. They are using bullying, harrassment and aggression rather than trying to gain consensus and agreement.

They take it out on the general public, rather than the main perpetrators, who are :

• Manufacturers (who think that buying 'carbon credits' mean they can then do whatever they want)
• Marketing departments, whose job is to make people overconsume
• China, making cheap tat
• Instagram, platform for over-consumption and showing off
• Chemical and plastic manufacturers, who don't care where their products end up or which wildlife gets killed
• Governments, just interested in lining their pockets

Protestors' actions are causing waste - wasted time, wasted effort, loss of earnings. Like the milk protestors, they come across as entitled, like they have never had to struggle to earn a living. No-one who has ever struggled to make ends meet would tip all that milk on the floor.

its about publicity stunts now. though everyone knows about the issues, they either dont have sufficient motivation or power to act. people like stuff, no one is going give up stuff without replacement, those are more expensive if they exist. so the stunts get bigger "you must listen!!" and people tune it out.

I think you have to look at these protests as symptoms of the bigger problem. Its easy to look at these protests as ridiculous, alienating, disruptive and not going to achieve their aims, and all that is probably true. But this story isn't really about the protests themselves, as if they've come out of nowhere, it is the result of governments not doing enough to solve the issues and a populace not tuned in enough, or just too selfish, to demand better from the manufacturers, resource-extractors, media and governments that create the problems.

When there are major problems not being dealt with, protests like this will arise as sure as night follows day. They are just mere symptoms of the great climate disaster we are hurtling head-first into, no more no less, and picking apart their arguments, whether they will achieve their aims or not, and how we can legislate against them as if THEY are the problem, is by and large irrelevant.

The environment and our society may well, in the end, collapse in a heap, but I like to think we won't all sit at home twiddling our thumbs until the day of reckoning. These protests are the tip of the iceberg, it will only increase.

 

[Whitechapel]

there are ways to protest without encroaching on other's rights. one person's claims to rights doesnt supercede others, you need balance and tradeoffs

The whole point of a protest is to cause disruption, surely?

Can you imagine where our club would be if all our protests at the Goldstone were in the club approved protest area ™ as we didn’t want to upset the away fans who’d travelled all the way down to Brighton?