Early contender for Sussex w***ker of the year

[Buzzer]

http://www.theargus.co.uk/display.var.1664332.0.drinkdriver_drove_drunk_to_court.php

A drink-driver drove to his latest court appearance almost five times over the limit.
Philip Cavalier was even more drunk when he arrived in court than he had been at the time of his original offence.
Eastbourne Magistrates' Court was told Cavalier launched himself into a red wine binge just hours before he was due before the bench charged with drink-driving.

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He sank his first glass of wine at 7am and ploughed on before jumping into his van for his court case. But when he arrived at court, police spotted him clambering out of his vehicle and arrested him again. And when they tested him for drink they discovered he had 152 microgrammes of alcohol in every 100ml of his breath - more than four times the 35 microgrammes limit. Cavalier, of Sandbacks Close, Hailsham, pleaded guilty to drink-driving when he faced magistrates again. The 56-year-old was originally caught drunk at the wheel in May when he was seen stalling his van as he reversed out of a parking space in Eastbourne. He tried to start the vehicle again and smashed it straight into a tree.
Tests later showed him to be almost four times over the limit after police found him sitting in the van nearby.
He was due in court to face the drink-driving charge from that crash when he hit the bottle again on August 6 and was caught by police for the second time when he arrived.
Prosecutor Kate Heffernan said: "The defendant said he had consumed a glass of red wine at 7am that morning. This was about 4pm in the afternoon.
"He was seen by a member of police staff to drive the same Ford van into the car park of the custody centre before getting out and entering the building."
Cavalier, from Hailsham, was banned from driving and released on unconditional bail to return to the court for sentencing on September 18.
A court source said: "We couldn't believe it when he turned up for his hearing. He was clearly drunk.
"There will be hell to pay if he drink-drives his way here to be sentenced."
Eastbourne MP Nigel Waterson said he was appalled at Cavalier's behaviour.
He said: "We all know drink driving is a killer. For someone to carry on this kind of behaviour is frankly disgraceful and he deserves whatever punishment he gets.
"It is only good fortune that he did not kill or injure anyone whilst he was driving around on our streets."
In each of the past six years more than 530 drivers or motorcyclists have been killed in accidents when they had drunk more than the legal limit. In 2004 there were 580 deaths.
The figure accounts for one fifth of all drivers killed in road accidents in Britain







Can I just add....Philip Cavalier - you are a f***ing moron. I've never met you and I hate you.

 

[Yorkie]

This was the person who had a go at police and the CPS who targetted motorists.

There is more of this than you realise Buzzer, although I accept this particular case is an extreme.

 

[looney]

Motorists are the real criminals, right or wrong, under this Government.

 

[Buzzer]

Hang on a bloody minute Yorkie. That's completely unfair and I'm really pissed off with the insinuation that I would condone this or think that the police shouldn't throw the bloody book at this bloke.

My gripe is the easy targetting of motorists for parking, speeding and all the other soft crimes. It's a world apart form a criminal matter like drink-driving - something I've consistently said that I've got zero-tolerance about.

Please don't compare my gripe about fining motorists who have a quick kip in a layby (yes - and the bloke got 3 points on his licence too) with morons like Cavalier who are just criminally irresponsible.

 

[John Bumlick]

Hang on a bloody minute Yorkie.

you'll probably be banned for that...

 

[Gully]

Having a quick kip in a layby is surely done in the interests of road safety, if someone thinks that they are falling asleep behind the wheel then surely it makes sense to stop for fourty winks, then continue when refreshed.

As for that twat Cavalier, I sincerely hope he won't be laughing when the judge passes sentence, idiots like that should not be on the road.

 

[Yorkie]

Hang on a bloody minute Yorkie. That's completely unfair and I'm really pissed off with the insinuation that I would condone this or think that the police shouldn't throw the bloody book at this bloke.

My gripe is the easy targetting of motorists for parking, speeding and all the other soft crimes. It's a world apart form a criminal matter like drink-driving - something I've consistently said that I've got zero-tolerance about.

Please don't compare my gripe about fining motorists who have a quick kip in a layby (yes - and the bloke got 3 points on his licence too) with morons like Cavalier who are just criminally irresponsible.

You would be surprised how many motorists are banned but then get picked up on parking and speeding offences for driving whilst disqualified.

 

[looney]

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My gripe is the easy targetting of motorists for parking, speeding and all the other soft crimes. .

Speeding leeds to deaths, hardly a soft crime more like involuntary manslaughter.


Parking and obstructing emergancy services is hardly soft.


If I was a credit card fraudster and started whinging about getting caught by new technology how much sympathy would I get?

What makes motorists so special that laws passed for rational reasons dont apply to them? If you cant do the time dont do the crime.

 

[Buzzer]

Speeding leeds to deaths, hardly a soft crime more like involuntary manslaughter.


Parking and obstructing emergancy services is hardly soft.


If I was a credit card fraudster and started whinging about getting caught by new technology how much sympathy would I get?

What makes motorists so special that laws passed for rational reasons dont apply to them? If you cant do the time dont do the crime.

Bollocks to the power of testes.

You're inventing spurious hypothetical arguments, now.

How do you know anyone was blocked?

As for your arguments about what makes motorists special - in the eyes of the law they are easy targets, that's what makes them special. They tend to pay fines and are thus a cash cow. All I was asking for was some sort of consistency.

If a twat who belts a policeman, pukes up along West Street and resists arrest can get off witha caution then a motorist who does nothing worse than deem it safer to rest rather than drive on should get the same consideration.

Let me turn it round. If the non-motorist does the non-motoring crime then punish him as you would a motorist.


Doesn't take away, though that you are trying to compare mine (and the majority of this country's) disgust at the heavy-handed approach police take to MINOR motoring offences with the very criminal act of drink-driving.

Completely different, as well you know.

 

[Yorkie]

As I have posted before, many a criminal has been caught by minor traffic offences. The Yorkshire Ripper was finally caught because traffic cops were suspicious of his number plates.

 

[Monsieur Leclerc]

I thought alot of crimes started or ended with a car? Certainly a lot of robberies will entail using a motor car, no

 

[Buzzer]

As I have posted before, many a criminal has been caught by minor traffic offences. The Yorkshire Ripper was finally caught because traffic cops were suspicious of his number plates.

Oh FFS. :thud:You don't honestly believe that crap do you?

It doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Let's get this right.....police take a more heavy-handed approach to motorists because there's the potential for a greater crime. This could only be true if either motorists were more likely to commit crimes whilst IN there cars or the average motorist is more likely to be a serious villain.

Why else would they not take the same heavy-handed approach for, say, pedestrians they arrest on minor crimes?

Further crapness can be proven by the simple fact that the motorist, once out of his car, can commit minor crimes as a pedestrian and be stopped by police yet you don't seem to think this carries any weight in serious crime detection.

Your argument becomes even more spurious to the point of comic absurdity by citing the case of the Yorkshire Ripper's arrest. This was a chance occurrence, 25 years ago. A complete one-off. Apparently, it's an efficient use of police time now to enforce zero-tolerance of minor car misdemeanours because there's always the chance of catching a serial killer. Apparently far more likely to net a psychopath than, say, throwing the book at some bloke who likes beating up his wife and children.

Finally, your argument is shown up as the miserable apology that it is for bleeding the motorist dry because even if police do stop motorists for minor car crimes with a very heavy-handed approach, such as your example, stopping Peter Sutcliffe for a dodgy tail-light. If that person has committed a minor motoring offence and, God forbid, isn't an axe-wielding murderer then point out the misedemeanour, tell them off and let them off with a caution. Something comparable with the treatment most anti-social yobs down West Street seem to get on a Friday night.

Trust me on this Yorkie, fining a motorist doesn't stop him from being a mass-murderer.


Jesus wept.


EDIT - and drink-driving is not a minor offence. I keep stressing this point. You keep ignoring it.

EDIT (again) - cause I don't like new posts straight after I've just done one. Stop motorists by all means if you want and check out if they are bigger fish, to coin a phrase. But do you really need to fine them over every little bloody thing? - rhetorical question, because quite clearly the answer is no. The police do not have the same attitude with pedestrians.

 

[desprateseagull]

and they let him go (on bail..) ? needs a day or eo in a cell to sober upm me thinks.. take his car, and crush it- not safe with prats like him going around.

 

[El Presidente]

Crumbs Buzzer, what's in your cornflakes tonight?

I've never been stopped by the fuzz and I'm a pervert.

 

[Buzzer]

Crumbs Buzzer, what's in your cornflakes tonight?

I've never been stopped by the fuzz and I'm a pervert.

A little bit of fuzz has never stopped you BECAUSE you're a pervert. Bald, brazilian or Gorilla salad - it's all grist to the mill.

I'm in a bad mood tonight, seeing as you asked. Thank First Capital Connect for that.

 

[e77]

People who moan about being caught speeding make me laugh. Speed cameras have warning signs, are painted yellow and can be looked up on line if you want.

If you don't want to be caught speeding, don't speed!

 

[Easy 10]

I got caught by the fuzz once.

Took me hours to disintangle my pubes from the egg whisk.

 

[Buzzer]

People who moan about being caught speeding make me laugh. Speed cameras have warning signs, are painted yellow and can be looked up on line if you want.

If you don't want to be caught speeding, don't speed!

and there are signs saying don't let your dog shit in the park, don't litter, don't fare dodge, don't graffiti, don't shoplift, don't smoke, don't chant racist or homophobic abuse. The reasons these are ignored....because they are not enforced. The reason why these are not enforced...too much trouble for the return you get, unlike the motoring offences.

 

[Yorkie]

Buzzer, I see the cases that go into court. Many a drug dealer has been caught for not having tax displayed or having his number plate investigated for no insurance.

 

[bhaexpress]

If you break the law or are even acting suspiciously why shouldn't the Police check you out ? I rather err on the side of caution.