[Football] Duffy

[rogersix]

Duffy signed a five year contract in 2018 for £45K a week.

Lallana is the highest paid player at Brighton - because he was a free transfer - he's on about £90K a week. After that the next players are on £50K a week - Jahanbakhsh, Webster and Gross. Duffy is in the next tier with Wellbeck, Dunk, Propper and Maupay. White has a very small contract - something like £300K a year until 2023.

 

[rogersix]

Ireland, just like every other country, apply FIFA and UEFA rules - Townsend's grandmother was born in Kerry - Cascarino's grandfather was born in Mayo (the reason why Cascarino's heritage has been questioned is because his mother was adopted by his grandfather - legally he is Cascarino's grandfather).

Three of Jack Grealish's grandparents were Irish born and he played gaelic football for years before he signed with Villa. Rice's grandparents were from Cork and he played at every level for Ireland from U-16 up to three full senior games. The primary reason why both of these players switched to England was financial and prompted by their agents. Both, but particularly Rice, have been trying to bury their affiliation to Ireland in the past. I have no problem with either playing for England - they are English born and are perfectly entitled to opt for England.

Given that British colonial rule in Ireland contributed to the economic underdevelopment of the country for centuries, it is hardly a surprise that there is a huge Irish diaspora (40 million in the USA and an estimated 16million in Britain) have Irish first or second generation ancestry). Furthermore, the Irish diaspora tend to have a very strong affiliation with Ireland. That is the reason why English born players declare for Ireland.

In contrast - the English team have picked individuals who have zero connection with England. The best example is that backbone of the English attack for 12 years - John Barnes. He was born in Jamaica - his father was a Jamaican international (actually captained Jamaica) Barnes had zero connection with England until he moved there when he was twelve because his father was appointed as a diplomat in the Jamaican High Commission in London.

Of the current English squad - Raheem Sterling was born in Jamaica and has zero connection with England - his mother was an athlete who was a member of the Jamaican athletic team.

This kind of stuff is very common - particularly among imperial countries -

Holland - Edgar Davids, Regi Blinker, Aaron Winter, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink were all born in Suirname.

The French team that won the World Cup in 1998 had the following - Vieira (Senegal) - Desailly (Ghana) - Thuram (Guadeloupe) - Karembeu (New Caledonia) - Trezuget (Argentina - technically born in France while his mother was visiting the country - his first language is Spanish) - Lama (born in France but as a baby moved and grew up in Guiana where his family were from) - on top of that - Zidane, Henry, Djorkaeff, Boghossian, and Diomede were from first generation immigrant families and Lizarazu identified as Basque rather than French.

Of the French team that won the World Cup in 2018 - only 3 of the 23 squad were entirely French - Florian Thauvin, Raphael Varane and Benjamin Pavard. Umtiti (Cameroon) - Thomas Lemar (Guadeloupe) - Areola (born in France - his mother arrived from the Phillipines only a few days before his birth). The rest of the squad were from first generational immigrant families - e.g. Pogba's parents are from Guinea and his two older brothers are Guinean internationals.


Ah now - I hope this isn't the type of history taught in England.

Sectarian conflict in Ireland developed as a weapon for British imperialism to impose its rule in Ireland - specifically it was used as a mechanism to sow division between Catholics and Protestants during the United Irishmen's movement in the late eighteenth century - and again to drive a sectarian wedge between Catholic and Protestant workers during the Irish revolution a hundred years ago with the intent of cutting across the growing support for socialist revolution in Ireland at the time. The whipping up of sectarian conflict was and is a common tactic of British imperialism - pitting Hindu against Moslem against Sikh in India - Sinhala against Tamil in Sri Lanka - Christian against Moslem in Nigeria etc.

The problem for British imperialism is that the sectarian divisions created by the British elites in Ireland spilled over into Britain and have occasionally raised their head in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Stockport etc. And they are currently playing a very dangerous game in the North pitting Catholic against Protestant over Brexit - something that could ultimately see the re-emergence of sectarian violence in the North of Ireland.

tl;dr

 

[rogersix]

Oh, well that covers all the English role.in Ireland.....

if we hadn't have done it to them, they would have done it to us; shit happens

 

[bhafc99]

In a world where Jadon Sancho has just been offered £350,000 a week by Man Utd, I very much doubt Brighton are paying Ben White £6000 a week.

 

[maresfield seagull]

Ireland, just like every other country, apply FIFA and UEFA rules - Townsend's grandmother was born in Kerry - Cascarino's grandfather was born in Mayo (the reason why Cascarino's heritage has been questioned is because his mother was adopted by his grandfather - legally he is Cascarino's grandfather).

Three of Jack Grealish's grandparents were Irish born and he played gaelic football for years before he signed with Villa. Rice's grandparents were from Cork and he played at every level for Ireland from U-16 up to three full senior games. The primary reason why both of these players switched to England was financial and prompted by their agents. Both, but particularly Rice, have been trying to bury their affiliation to Ireland in the past. I have no problem with either playing for England - they are English born and are perfectly entitled to opt for England.

Given that British colonial rule in Ireland contributed to the economic underdevelopment of the country for centuries, it is hardly a surprise that there is a huge Irish diaspora (40 million in the USA and an estimated 16million in Britain) have Irish first or second generation ancestry). Furthermore, the Irish diaspora tend to have a very strong affiliation with Ireland. That is the reason why English born players declare for Ireland.

In contrast - the English team have picked individuals who have zero connection with England. The best example is that backbone of the English attack for 12 years - John Barnes. He was born in Jamaica - his father was a Jamaican international (actually captained Jamaica) Barnes had zero connection with England until he moved there when he was twelve because his father was appointed as a diplomat in the Jamaican High Commission in London.

Of the current English squad - Raheem Sterling was born in Jamaica and has zero connection with England - his mother was an athlete who was a member of the Jamaican athletic team.

This kind of stuff is very common - particularly among imperial countries -

Holland - Edgar Davids, Regi Blinker, Aaron Winter, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink were all born in Suirname.

The French team that won the World Cup in 1998 had the following - Vieira (Senegal) - Desailly (Ghana) - Thuram (Guadeloupe) - Karembeu (New Caledonia) - Trezuget (Argentina - technically born in France while his mother was visiting the country - his first language is Spanish) - Lama (born in France but as a baby moved and grew up in Guiana where his family were from) - on top of that - Zidane, Henry, Djorkaeff, Boghossian, and Diomede were from first generation immigrant families and Lizarazu identified as Basque rather than French.

Of the French team that won the World Cup in 2018 - only 3 of the 23 squad were entirely French - Florian Thauvin, Raphael Varane and Benjamin Pavard. Umtiti (Cameroon) - Thomas Lemar (Guadeloupe) - Areola (born in France - his mother arrived from the Phillipines only a few days before his birth). The rest of the squad were from first generational immigrant families - e.g. Pogba's parents are from Guinea and his two older brothers are Guinean internationals.

Very much so and some great examples there extremely bendable qualification rules much like the cricket and athletic s



Ah now - I hope this isn't the type of history taught in England.

Sectarian conflict in Ireland developed as a weapon for British imperialism to impose its rule in Ireland - specifically it was used as a mechanism to sow division between Catholics and Protestants during the United Irishmen's movement in the late eighteenth century - and again to drive a sectarian wedge between Catholic and Protestant workers during the Irish revolution a hundred years ago with the intent of cutting across the growing support for socialist revolution in Ireland at the time. The whipping up of sectarian conflict was and is a common tactic of British imperialism - pitting Hindu against Moslem against Sikh in India - Sinhala against Tamil in Sri Lanka - Christian against Moslem in Nigeria etc.

The problem for British imperialism is that the sectarian divisions created by the British elites in Ireland spilled over into Britain and have occasionally raised their head in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Stockport etc. And they are currently playing a very dangerous game in the North pitting Catholic against Protestant over Brexit - something that could ultimately see the re-emergence of sectarian violence in the North of Ireland.

Poorly worded on my behalf TBF
Just wish they could get over it and play nicely
Would a united Ireland potentially solve this or would there be too much friction?

Look further back through history and sadly religion has been the cause of many conflicts

 

[Hugo Rune]

Would a united Ireland potentially solve this or would there be too much friction?

If the ‘UK’ had a vote for a United Ireland, it’d be an astonishing landslide victory for the Irish republicans. Fingers crossed that some politician wakes up to the idea of getting this region off the UK books. They are not wanted and certainly not needed now, nothing but trouble.

 

[SAC]

Didn’t White sign a new contract last year when he agent was being a bit of a div and stirring up news stories about him? Seem to remember at the time there was talk he’d doubled his wages but that was just gossip.

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His agent will have stirred things up (almost certainly with Ben's agreement) which ended up with Ben increasing his wages by at least 100% but I'd guess closer to 400%. If he has a good Euros, expect his agent to do the same again.

 

[Hugo Rune]

His agent will have stirred things up (almost certainly with Ben's agreement) which ended up with Ben increasing his wages by at least 100% but I'd guess closer to 400%. If he has a good Euros, expect his agent to do the same again.

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get a new contract this summer, hopefully with us!

 

[Swansman]

Lewis Dunk singed a new contract in August 2020 a full year after Adam Webster joined us.

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.c...ve Albion are delighted,of the 2024/25 season.

The Jolly Red Giant turned awfully quiet after this.

 

[dazzer6666]

The Jolly Red Giant turned awfully quiet after this.

Probably still constructing his next reply.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

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If the ‘UK’ had a vote for a United Ireland, it’d be an astonishing landslide victory for the Irish republicans. Fingers crossed that some politician wakes up to the idea of getting this region off the UK books. They are not wanted and certainly not needed now, nothing but trouble.

British Imperialism has been trying to get out of the North of Ireland for 50 years - the problem is that they have created a sectarian nightmare that would flare up into a sectarian civil war if Britain announced that it was leaving the North in the morning - and worse for the imperialist elites, the conflict would spread to British cities.

These days Johnson is digging in on the North in order to undermine the demand for independence in Scotland - after Brexit he cannot afford the break-up of the UK.

Poorly worded on my behalf TBF
Just wish they could get over it and play nicely
Would a united Ireland potentially solve this or would there be too much friction?

Look further back through history and sadly religion has been the cause of many conflicts

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with playing nice - the imperialist elites created sectarianism for political purposes and then spent nearly three centuries whipping up sectarianism whenever it felt that British rule and/or the rule of capital was threatened. It is now deeply engrained in society in the North - e.g. more than 70% of teenagers have never even spoken to someone from the 'other' religion. Moreover, any attempt to impose a united Ireland will create widespread sectarian conflict. The Good Friday Agreement, while bringing an end to the sectarian conflict of the previous 25 years, actually institutionalised sectarian division through all sectors of society in the North.

At the moment republicans are promoting a 'border poll' - a referendum on unity (the mechanism is in the GFA). This is extremely dangerous. In 1973 the British government held a border poll to reassure Protestants that they would remain under London. The result was a foregone conclusion - so Catholics boycotted the poll and the result showed something like 98% in favour of remaining in the UK. The problem was that the period running up to the vote and immediately afterwards was the most vicious and bloody of the entire Troubles. Republicans think that if they get 50% +1 in favour of a united Ireland in a border poll that Britain will say bye-bye and the Protestant community will simply put their hands up and say 'well, we had a good run - time to accept our fate'. The reality is that it is likely to be more like 1973 except this time the Protectant community would boycott the border poll and sectarian conflict would be inevitable. The last 100 years have shown that the Catholic working class in the North could not be coerced into accepting the Northern state - similarly the Protestant working class will not be coerced into a united Ireland against their will (nor should they be). Any unitary state in Ireland founded on the basis of a border poll would be a highly repressive state with the intent of coercing 1 million Protestants into a state they do not want to be part of.

 

[zefarelly]

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get a new contract this summer, hopefully with us!

I'll be dissapointed if TB hasn't cast his agent into the footings of the North stand extension.

Agents should be banned, a cancer on the game.

 

[Swansman]

I'll be dissapointed if TB hasn't cast his agent into the footings of the North stand extension.

Agents should be banned, a cancer on the game.

They are but think it would be worse without them. Without agents players would earn less and there would be much higher likelihood of owners making profit on football clubs, meaning we'd probably live in a world where Brighton were owned by McDonalds or something. Not sure it would have been preferable.

 

[Hugo Rune]

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British Imperialism has been trying to get out of the North of Ireland for 50 years - the problem is that they have created a sectarian nightmare that would flare up into a sectarian civil war if Britain announced that it was leaving the North in the morning - and worse for the imperialist elites, the conflict would spread to British cities.

These days Johnson is digging in on the North in order to undermine the demand for independence in Scotland - after Brexit he cannot afford the break-up of the UK.


Unfortunately it has nothing to do with playing nice - the imperialist elites created sectarianism for political purposes and then spent nearly three centuries whipping up sectarianism whenever it felt that British rule and/or the rule of capital was threatened. It is now deeply engrained in society in the North - e.g. more than 70% of teenagers have never even spoken to someone from the 'other' religion. Moreover, any attempt to impose a united Ireland will create widespread sectarian conflict. The Good Friday Agreement, while bringing an end to the sectarian conflict of the previous 25 years, actually institutionalised sectarian division through all sectors of society in the North.

At the moment republicans are promoting a 'border poll' - a referendum on unity (the mechanism is in the GFA). This is extremely dangerous. In 1973 the British government held a border poll to reassure Protestants that they would remain under London. The result was a foregone conclusion - so Catholics boycotted the poll and the result showed something like 98% in favour of remaining in the UK. The problem was that the period running up to the vote and immediately afterwards was the most vicious and bloody of the entire Troubles. Republicans think that if they get 50% +1 in favour of a united Ireland in a border poll that Britain will say bye-bye and the Protestant community will simply put their hands up and say 'well, we had a good run - time to accept our fate'. The reality is that it is likely to be more like 1973 except this time the Protestant community would boycott the border poll and sectarian conflict would be inevitable. The last 100 years have shown that the Catholic working class in the North could not be coerced into accepting the Northern state - similarly the Protestant working class will not be coerced into a united Ireland against their will (nor should they be). Any unitary state in Ireland founded on the basis of a border poll would be a highly repressive state with the intent of coercing 1 million Protestants into a state they do not want to be part of.

Very well explained. For me, it's up to British to sort this mess out seeing that it's all our fault. Let's unite Ireland again. My solution would be to throw billions at it. To build a new city in Scotland and send whoever (from the 750,000ish protestant community) can't abide the new regime back to live there seeing that is where most of them came from. Everyone would receive the same offer. A 4 bedroom detached house with EV car, guaranteed job in their trade and a Union Jack flag for their garden. Simples. Obviously it'd be nice if Scotland then went independent.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Probably still constructing his next reply.

Oh yea - as if I am shy about posting on here.

Nobody knows the actually contracts there players have - unlike others sports, most football contracts are not public knowledge (this is because there is no salary cap and teams do not have to disclose salary details to anyone). As a result - this is all speculation.

Taking Dunk - there are dozens of websites that purport to outline Dunk's salary and it varies between £38K a week up to £60K a week - the most common figure is £45K with a number of others at £49.5K. But again - this is all speculation as the only ones who know the true figure are the club owners and Dunk himself. The same applies to the rest of the squad.

Now - this all traces back to whether Duffy can be sold and if he will move to a championship club. I asserted that Duffy was one of the highest paid players at the club (which he is) and that no championship club (or PL club) will pay a transfer fee and take on that salary. Duffy has another 2 years to go on his contract and Brighton have to pay him. He can sit on the bench and draw £45K a week for two years and then go off as a free agent and sign another contract with another club that won't have to pay a fee for him. The most likely outcome is that he will go on loan again next season with Brighton carrying the can for a significant portion of his salary - other than that they will have to buy out at least part of the contract to move him on.

There have been numerous examples of this happening in the past - the one that springs to mind was Kevin Doyle when he was at Wolves. Doyle signed a four-year contract with Wolves in 2011 (apparently worth £40K a week) when they were in the PL. Wolves were then relegated twice to L1. Doyle refused to take a pay cut and was banished to train with a group of other players that Wolves were trying to unload. Wolves tried to sell him - willing to accept £2million - nobody would bite because of the size of Doyle's contract (primarily because he was having injury issues). Doyle eventually went on loan to QPR and then to Palace (he was injured while playing for both) so Wolves could recoup at least some of his wages, before making a handful of appearances for Wolves before they bought out the remainder of his contract and allowed him to join Colorado Rapids. Doyle was paid $1million a year plus bonuses while in Denver.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Very well explained. For me, it's up to British to sort this mess out seeing that it's all our fault. Let's unite Ireland again. My solution would be to throw billions at it. To build a new city in Scotland and send whoever (from the 750,000ish protestant community) can't abide the new regime back to live there seeing that is where most of them came from. Everyone would receive the same offer. A 4 bedroom detached house with EV car, guaranteed job in their trade and a Union Jack flag for their garden. Simples. Obviously it'd be nice if Scotland then went independent.

The thing of note is that when Ulster Protestants migrate to England, English people regard them as Irish and they often end up drinking with Northern Catholics in Irish pubs.

And if only the solution was a simple as building some 4 bed Ds and semi-Ds

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

They are but think it would be worse without them. Without agents players would earn less and there would be much higher likelihood of owners making profit on football clubs, meaning we'd probably live in a world where Brighton were owned by McDonalds or something. Not sure it would have been preferable.

Players were treated like dirt for more than 100 years - right up until the Bosman ruling. Agents are there to protect the financial interests of the players. The one change that I would make is to limit the commission agents can be paid - in the NFL it is 2.5% of the players contract.

The biggest issue is the continuing growing cap between what lower league pro-footballers are paid compared to the PL - the gap was around 1:20 before the PL started - now it is up to 1:1000

 

[Cian]

He was born in Northern Ireland.

In addition to the previous discussion of qualification rules, players born in Northern Ireland can play for either team without any parental qualification requirements, as they are innately allowed citizenship of both since the 1998 Belfast Agreement. This has been agreed by FIFA, although the IFA (Northern Irish FA) are not particularly fans of this decision.

 

[dazzer6666]

Oh yea - as if I am shy about posting on here.

Nobody knows the actually contracts there players have - unlike others sports, most football contracts are not public knowledge (this is because there is no salary cap and teams do not have to disclose salary details to anyone). As a result - this is all speculation.

Taking Dunk - there are dozens of websites that purport to outline Dunk's salary and it varies between £38K a week up to £60K a week - the most common figure is £45K with a number of others at £49.5K. But again - this is all speculation as the only ones who know the true figure are the club owners and Dunk himself. The same applies to the rest of the squad.

Now - this all traces back to whether Duffy can be sold and if he will move to a championship club. I asserted that Duffy was one of the highest paid players at the club (which he is) and that no championship club (or PL club) will pay a transfer fee and take on that salary. Duffy has another 2 years to go on his contract and Brighton have to pay him. He can sit on the bench and draw £45K a week for two years and then go off as a free agent and sign another contract with another club that won't have to pay a fee for him. The most likely outcome is that he will go on loan again next season with Brighton carrying the can for a significant portion of his salary - other than that they will have to buy out at least part of the contract to move him on.

There have been numerous examples of this happening in the past - the one that springs to mind was Kevin Doyle when he was at Wolves. Doyle signed a four-year contract with Wolves in 2011 (apparently worth £40K a week) when they were in the PL. Wolves were then relegated twice to L1. Doyle refused to take a pay cut and was banished to train with a group of other players that Wolves were trying to unload. Wolves tried to sell him - willing to accept £2million - nobody would bite because of the size of Doyle's contract (primarily because he was having injury issues). Doyle eventually went on loan to QPR and then to Palace (he was injured while playing for both) so Wolves could recoup at least some of his wages, before making a handful of appearances for Wolves before they bought out the remainder of his contract and allowed him to join Colorado Rapids. Doyle was paid $1million a year plus bonuses while in Denver.

You’ve pontificated about what players are on, preached the bleeding obvious and then stated no-one knows and it’s all speculation. Not sure why you bother tbh.

 

[AZ Gull]

You’ve pontificated about what players are on, preached the bleeding obvious and then stated no-one knows and it’s all speculation. Not sure why you bother tbh.

Amen to that.