Duffy/Goldson - confused???

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Duffy arrived at the club and played within a few days of signing before being played against Brentford. This meant that he had little or no time to get to know his team mates, and develop an understanding with where they would be on the pitch in training, so of course there is going to be more more of a hoof it away type approach that from someone who has had the opportunity to train regularly with the squad before making his debut (Like Goldson, who scored 2 own goals in his first 2 matches and btw - would he have been in for a lot of criticism and questioning why we signed him if we hadn't had our good start or got something from those games?)

Against Brentford, Duffy was often left in a position where their no. 9 went out to a position on the half way line behind Bruno, who had bombed forward as usual, this left Duffy with a dilemma, does he go wide to cut down that space and try to stop that player early but by doing so, leave the middle vulnerable (especially if someone then makes a late run into the area he vacated and we would be left with Dunk struggling to cover) or does he stay in the middle and let their player run in towards goal unopposed until he gets close to the goal - this is an example of unfamiliarity with the tactics that being at the club such a short time would expose. Also we normally push our centre-backs wide when Stockdale has the ball, but again, against Brentford, Dufy wasn't doing this as much as we normally do and was again down to being here such a short time before playing (Goldson was still injured at this point so couldn't start)

With time, Duffy will (and already has started to) develop more of an understanding with his teammates as he settles in. Goldson had a lot longer to achieve this before he was thrown into action

Nailed it.

 

[B.W.]

Firstly, we definitely needed to replace Greer...

Secondly, Goldson WILL get his chance via injury / suspension... see above...

Thirdly, Duffy is an experienced international defender, and is playing well after a shaky start...

Given the above, what is the point of this thread exactly?

 

[ewe2]

IMO Duffy was bought in advance and as insurance to when we sell Dunk,if we are not promoted. It is plain to see Dunk is heading for the prem with or without us.

 

[GooGull]

IMO Duffy was bought in advance and as insurance to when we sell Dunk,if we are not promoted. It is plain to see Dunk is heading for the prem with or without us.

Dunk is certainly Premier bound, just hope its with us

 

[nwgull]

Believe me I'm boring myself, hence trying to get out of this.
But some of the spin that's being to come up with to try and save face, can't go unchallenged.

Unsurprisingly an 'over heated' transfer market has been enough to make my head explode.
I'm glad there are a few others who are also questioning this nonsense.

Please do be done with this for now. You, and everyone that uses NSC, is entitled to their opinion. However, coming on here several times a day to state your opinion on the same subject is ****ing tedious for everyone else to read.

Worse things happen in life that people have to deal with than their team not signing a 5-10m striker.

 

[El Presidente]

Back on topic, CH has said he wants 2 players for each position. With the exception of up front we probably have that now.

Dunk, Goldson, BFG and Duffy fill those posts. Injuries can last for ages as we saw last season with BFG and March, so it makes sense to have quality cover.

 

[biddles911]

Dunk is certainly Premier bound, just hope its with us

Hope you're right too.

Bit ironic really; people seem to forget that Dunk was terrible early last season and cost us a lot of points but got his act together and is now playing really well. Goldson looked a lot more secure than Dunk in those early games.....!

Re the OP; Goldson on the bench doesn't mean fit to start, just fit to play at some point (presumably to cover injury in this case). He'll get his chance again, I've no doubt.

It's a nice problem to have though!




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[GT49er]

Duffy arrived at the club and played within a few days of signing before being played against Brentford. This meant that he had little or no time to get to know his team mates, and develop an understanding with where they would be on the pitch in training, so of course there is going to be more more of a hoof it away type approach that from someone who has had the opportunity to train regularly with the squad before making his debut (Like Goldson, who scored 2 own goals in his first 2 matches and btw - would he have been in for a lot of criticism and questioning why we signed him if we hadn't had our good start or got something from those games?)

Against Brentford, Duffy was often left in a position where their no. 9 went out to a position on the half way line behind Bruno, who had bombed forward as usual, this left Duffy with a dilemma, does he go wide to cut down that space and try to stop that player early but by doing so, leave the middle vulnerable (especially if someone then makes a late run into the area he vacated and we would be left with Dunk struggling to cover) or does he stay in the middle and let their player run in towards goal unopposed until he gets close to the goal - this is an example of unfamiliarity with the tactics that being at the club such a short time would expose. Also we normally push our centre-backs wide when Stockdale has the ball, but again, against Brentford, Dufy wasn't doing this as much as we normally do and was again down to being here such a short time before playing (Goldson was still injured at this point so couldn't start)

With time, Duffy will (and already has started to) develop more of an understanding with his teammates as he settles in. Goldson had a lot longer to achieve this before he was thrown into action

Yes, I know all that. And in spite of somebody replying 'nailed on' as if your post refutes successfully everything I said, my post is in no way incompatible with you've said. Yes, it was a difficult start for Duffy; I said as much. And he has improved game by game - well, I don't deny that, but that wasn't part of discussion.
What I was discussing was whether the club at one stage had half an idea of going with three CBs with the plan of bringing through one or more of he youngsters later in the season, as and when - and whether, if that had been the case, was Duffy a bit of a last minute panic buy. AZGull answered that very eloquently. Someone else also suggested that maybe Duffy was brought in because his style as a defender would improve our perceived weakness against sett pieces - a very good point too.
Is Duffy rubbish? Of course not - CH wouldn't let him near the team if he was. Is he better than Goldson? Jury still out on that, IMHO - but that is only MHO.

 

[Lifelong Supporter]

Dunk is certainly Premier bound, just hope its with us

We are a forward thinking club and yes I am sure this is one of the reasons we bought Duffy.

Further supporters need to get used to the fact that players do not play all the games and throughout every game. They are very well paid for the inconvenience of sitting on the bench. They are now athletes. There is no way a club will get in the play offs without class players supporting those actually starting.

 

[Sheebo]

Not knocking Duffy and think he may prove a shrewd signing, but haven't seen this passing John Keely speaks of. He's done too many aimless Blackburn style lumps up front so far - will be interesting to see if his passing improves.

Dunk, on the other hand has been spraying it about like Gerrard - funny old game!

 

[RohanInceEnthusiast]

Dunk & Duffy vs Burton:

- 100% header success (14/14)
- 100% tackle success (6/6)
- 191 passes
- 5 interceptions
- 3 clearances

Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Bigtomfu]

Dunk & Duffy vs Burton:

- 100% header success (14/14)
- 100% tackle success (6/6)
- 191 passes
- 5 interceptions
- 3 clearances

Proof is in the pudding.

And I expect BFG and Goldson to do likewise on Tuesday to show their worth as pushing for a place

 

[samtheseagull]

Not knocking Duffy and think he may prove a shrewd signing, but haven't seen this passing John Keely speaks of. He's done too many aimless Blackburn style lumps up front so far - will be interesting to see if his passing improves.

Dunk, on the other hand has been spraying it about like Gerrard - funny old game!

Dont agree with that., Duffy on a few occasions against Huddersfield sent some great passes through the middle of the park.

 

[MF'84]

When Goldson came into the side last season to replace the injured Greer he staked his place and Greer didn't get a look in after that (and rightly so). Why should it be any different with Duffy now that he's found his form? The position should remain his if he's playing well enough to deserve it and Goldson will have to wait for his opportunity.

I'm a huge fan of Goldson but I'm fine with it being this way as it promotes competition in the squad.

 

[warmleyseagull]

When Goldson came into the side last season to replace the injured Greer he staked his place and Greer didn't get a look in after that (and rightly so). Why should it be any different with Duffy now that he's found his form? The position should remain his if he's playing well enough to deserve it and Goldson will have to wait for his opportunity.

I'm a huge fan of Goldson but I'm fine with it being this way as it promotes competition in the squad.

seem to recall that Goldson was fine with it too while he was out of the side up to Xmas last season.

 

[portslade seagull]

Good to have such competition

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

After a shaky start Duffy gets some good ratings from NSCer's today, and he was better vs Hudds than Brentford.

But Goldson was our player of the year last year, yet he stays on the bench...

Bench means fit to play...

So why is Duffy preferred over him?

Is Goldson suffering from a Bong-esque failure to return to form?

I'm sorry, but if a player is doing well, then for me he keeps the shirt. Goldson will have to wait for his chance.

 

[The Fifth Column]

Read the Argus. We tried.

Read the Argus?? No-one does that these days. We tried, oh that's alright then I feel so much better knowing we tried to sign a striker because as long as we tried everything will be alright. We tried and ultimately failed. Last season I truly believe we were a £10-12 million striker short in our chase for promotion, we still managed to joint top score but with that quality striker we would have won the title by a comfortable margin. My fear is that we do exactly the same this season.

 

[Lifelong Supporter]

Read the Argus?? No-one does that these days. We tried, oh that's alright then I feel so much better knowing we tried to sign a striker because as long as we tried everything will be alright. We tried and ultimately failed. Last season I truly believe we were a £10-12 million striker short in our chase for promotion, we still managed to joint top score but with that quality striker we would have won the title by a comfortable margin. My fear is that we do exactly the same this season.

I am sorry, I do not quite see it this way. We have plenty of skill in midfield and up front with the Jan transfer window to strengthen. The key will actually be the goals we concede. We need Stockdale to up his game and we need to stop conceding goals on the counter. The Duffy signing has greatly strengthened our set piece play, we just need Stockers to do the business and be more intelligent about things. Middlesbro went up last year and we did not, due to the goals we conceded, which were much greater than theirs.

 

[BensGrandad]

Read the Argus?? No-one does that these days. We tried, oh that's alright then I feel so much better knowing we tried to sign a striker because as long as we tried everything will be alright. We tried and ultimately failed. Last season I truly believe we were a £10-12 million striker short in our chase for promotion, we still managed to joint top score but with that quality striker we would have won the title by a comfortable margin. My fear is that we do exactly the same this season.

Nobody can argue with that. It is possible of course that we tried to sign an established striker but if as example we offered £1m for Rhodes we wouldnt get him where a realistic offer may have succeeded. Unfortunately nobody will ever know why we failed and there will be a lot of stories.