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Drunk driver kills 2 boys. Dad kills drunk driver. Swift justice served.



Creaky

Well-known member
Mar 26, 2013
3,862
Hookwood - Nr Horley
I think I have answered your question, if my children were killed, I think I would want to kill that person who was responsible. Would I be bothered if I was killed by that persons father? Having lost 2 children, is there anything else to lose. Not saying its right to take an eye for an eye. But I am not self righteous enough to tell a parent who has watched 2 children die in front of them, what's right or wrong to do in that circumstance.

Your answer explains quite clearly why a civilised society doesn't condone vigilantism. If it didn't then we would end up in anarchy - driver kills two boys - father kills driver - father of driver kills man - and so on. Society does have the right to say such actions are wrong for the greater good.
 




Mowgli37

Enigmatic Asthmatic
Jan 13, 2013
6,371
Sheffield
Why do you not answer the question, if Jimmy Saville was still alive, should he be forgiven if he served his time, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter.
Or are you going to choose who you can forgive or can not.
Are you going to say its different when it comes to those sort of crimes. It's very easy to say let people right their wrongs, when it's not you they have wronged.

Paedophiles? No, I don't think I could ever bring myself to forgive someone who had perpetrated such heinous acts. The difference is that these men pre-meditated the crimes they committed.

We've strayed very far from the original case. Could I bring myself to forgive someone who had accidentally killed a relative of mine? You will say, once again, that I cannot make that call because I have never experienced it, so there really is little point in me answering it. But I shall anyway, I think that, although it would take years, decades even, as long as the man/woman responsible showed me the utmost remorse, served their time obediently and then went on to never repeat their mistakes, then I would in time forgive them. That is just my view on it, I totally respect you and others would feel differently.
 


Steve.S

Well-known member
May 11, 2012
1,833
Hastings
Your answer explains quite clearly why a civilised society doesn't condone vigilantism. If it didn't then we would end up in anarchy - driver kills two boys - father kills driver - father of driver kills man - and so on. Society does have the right to say such actions are wrong for the greater good.

What part of society is that. Any conflict around the world is mostly about revenge. Parts of America still have the death penalty as do other countries.
 




drew

Drew
NSC Patron
Oct 3, 2006
23,609
Burgess Hill
I think I have answered your question, if my children were killed, I think I would want to kill that person who was responsible. Would I be bothered if I was killed by that persons father? Having lost 2 children, is there anything else to lose. Not saying its right to take an eye for an eye. But I am not self righteous enough to tell a parent who has watched 2 children die in front of them, what's right or wrong to do in that circumstance.

And if only one of your kids was killed, would you start a chain of events that could lead to your other children being fatherless?
 






Steve.S

Well-known member
May 11, 2012
1,833
Hastings
Paedophiles? No, I don't think I could ever bring myself to forgive someone who had perpetrated such heinous acts. The difference is that these men pre-meditated the crimes they committed.

We've strayed very far from the original case. Could I bring myself to forgive someone who had accidentally killed a relative of mine? You will say, once again, that I cannot make that call because I have never experienced it, so there really is little point in me answering it. But I shall anyway, I think that, although it would take years, decades even, as long as the man/woman responsible showed me the utmost remorse, served their time obediently and then went on to never repeat their mistakes, then I would in time forgive them. That is just my view on it, I totally respect you and others would feel differently.

My point, which you have proved is that given a chance, you will choose who to forgive and who not to. Surely drink driving is pre-meditated. If I am going out for a drink, I will not take the car.
2 times over the limit and you get in a car and your telling me that it's an accident.
 


Mowgli37

Enigmatic Asthmatic
Jan 13, 2013
6,371
Sheffield
My point, which you have proved is that given a chance, you will choose who to forgive and who not to. Surely drink driving is pre-meditated. If I am going out for a drink, I will not take the car.
2 times over the limit and you get in a car and your telling me that it's an accident.

Yes, I can choose. The circumstances are different for everything but I very much hope I will never have to make that choice.

Drink drivers are f*cking stupid, and it would take me much longer to forgive someone who had been so thoughtlessly reckless, but that is still different to intentionally killing someone, so yes, its an accident.
 




Bruntburger

New member
Mar 9, 2009
1,138
Peacehaven
I think the torment of accidentally killing two kids because of ones own stupid irresponsible behaviour would be a punishment in itself. 20 years prison to reflect would be about right in my eyes.

I have to admit when I was a young lad to drink driving myself on more than one occasion.
 


grubbyhands

Well-known member
Dec 8, 2011
2,296
Godalming
He'd have been better off doing this:

Drugging and kidnapping someone who’s ****ed you over and taking them to a back street operating theatre, where the cream of the struck off, medically disbarred surgeons will remove their arms to the shoulder blades and legs to the crotch under general anesthetic, one limb at a time, expertly and carefully so that the arteries that serve the legs and arms can be properly clamped and sealed to prevent loss of life and when that’s done the skin is grafted back over the gaping holes where the ****er’s limbs used to be. After that there are many ways to go. You could dump the head and torso in a dustbin on the street before they regain consciousness, or keep them in their recovery bed until they come round and then smile and tell them it was all a great success and wave at them using one of their arms or kick them in the crotch with one of their legs and then bend over and fart in their face.

Crikey, I think sh*t like this but b*ggered if I'd have the nerve to post it! Well done (I think)
 


Creaky

Well-known member
Mar 26, 2013
3,862
Hookwood - Nr Horley
I think the torment of accidentally killing two kids because of ones own stupid irresponsible behaviour would be a punishment in itself. 20 years prison to reflect would be about right in my eyes.

I have to admit when I was a young lad to drink driving myself on more than one occasion.

I doubt that there are many of my generation who were driving before the introduction of the breathalyser who didn't drink and drive at some stage - attitudes were totally different then.
 




Mowgli37

Enigmatic Asthmatic
Jan 13, 2013
6,371
Sheffield
I think the torment of accidentally killing two kids because of ones own stupid irresponsible behaviour would be a punishment in itself. 20 years prison to reflect would be about right in my eyes.

I have to admit when I was a young lad to drink driving myself on more than one occasion.

A thumbs up, not for the drink driving obviously but I agree with the first paragraph. If I had killed someone I don't think I would ever get over the guilt.
 




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