[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Peteinblack]

And to prove they don’t like rape gangs they have taken Tate brothers out of Europe where they were facing criminal charges for all sorts of things including sex crimes. Europe punishes people like this, America offers them a free pass. Mental.

Yet Trump accuses some Mexicans and Haitians of being rapists, which he then cites as a reason for keeping them out of the US or deporting them.

It's impossible to respect, or reason with, someone as inconsistent, mentally unstable, emotionally volatile, and pig-ignorant as Trump.

 

[aolstudios]

If the rhetoric is that the USA no longer wants to be the “World police” (despite it being them who put themselves in that position in the first place), wants to stop the wars and killing, then why isn’t it the same for the Israel conflict? Why are they arming Israel? $4 billion sent the other day, and Israel are a country who probably doesn’t need it.

What’s the real difference between aiding Ukraine and funding Israel?

Putin hasn't invaded Israel (although he's helped Syria & Iran against them a *lot*).
& Donald belongs to Putin

 

[nevergoagain]

I wonder if we were to turn around and say to Trump, tell you what we're just going to give the Chagos islands away, you deal with the fallout for your military base. Similarly if he were to pull US out of NATO then I wonder on the reaction if everyone in europe said well you won't be needing your bases in our countries then. Obviously we'd need to have Europe defences really pumped up before then.

 

[Cordwainer]

So after the delicious, now seen by all, Zelensky inspired hissy fit..unsurprisingly Mango Grandpa has made it all about himself..again..say sorry or else…not so much blackmail as orangemail...whadda guy..whadda statesman.

 

[nicko31]

Under our feet. Cheap energy is a key driver of GDP, and it isn't cheap when you are importing all your coal, gas, oil, batteries, solar panels and wind turbines.

There's a big difference between importing single use fossil fuel and tech that reduces our reliance on single use fossil fuels.

 

[nicko31]

Okay, you’re absolutely either a Russian bot or a performance artist. Nice one

For some when you're that far down the rabbit hole there's no turning back, being a Putin enabler doesn't matter

 

[Papa Lazarou]

I wonder if we were to turn around and say to Trump, tell you what we're just going to give the Chagos islands away, you deal with the fallout for your military base. Similarly if he were to pull US out of NATO then I wonder on the reaction if everyone in europe said well you won't be needing your bases in our countries then. Obviously we'd need to have Europe defences really pumped up before then.

Whoever takes over after Trump (on the assumption that it won't be Trump again) will have one hell of a mess to sort out. They could end up with zero trust, almost no international influence (through withdrawl from internastional bodies and treaties, reduction in USAid. broken promises, Trade wars with neighbours and possibly removal of US bases in many areas.

It could take a while to fix all of that. UInless we get another MAGA Republican, then that's just fine and Dandy.

 

[Bodian]

You are now, officially, a lunatic.

If you don't consider Trump to be a Russian asset - what is your explanation for all his actions?

 

[seagurl]

I'm joining a protest at the USA Embassy in London tomorrow. It's the very least I can do.

 

[Curious Orange]

There's a big difference between importing single use fossil fuel and tech that reduces our reliance on single use fossil fuels.

At this moment in time that really isn't the point. The fact of the matter is that we are paying over the odds for our current energy requirements because the expenditure is not even staying within the UK economy or providing UK jobs.

That is not to say that reducing our dependence on fossil fuels is a bad thing, just that the current path to doing so is really badly thought out, and environmentally unsound to boot.

We are on the verge of war, and we simply aren't prepared for it because we are categorically not energy independent.

 

[drew]

With Trump aligning with Putin, should the genuine free world now be looking at boycotting the world cup next year?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Yeah, I have been thinking of hiding this thread for this very reason (my wife thinks I’m crazy for even commenting) but then again she thinks you’re all crazier, lol.

Maybe I should keep my mouth shut and leave you all to agreeing with yourselves. Now there’s an interesting conversation…

You really are showing how out of touch with the UK you are if you think this is just an NSC phenomenon of collective opinion on the matter of Trump and Ukraine. Universally across our media was condemnation of Trump's actions from the Mail to the Guardian, FT to the Mirror. Across our political parties there is a unified voice and cross party agreements not thought to be possible a little while ago.

You seem to be under the misconception that this ill feeling toward Trump is an NSC thing - it just demonstrates how little you understand of UK public and political opinion right now.

But, you probably think it's you and the wife who have the open minds...

 

[BadFish]

You really are showing how out of touch with the UK you are if you think this is just an NSC phenomenon of collective opinion on the matter of Trump and Ukraine. Universally across our media was condemnation of Trump's actions from the Mail to the Guardian, FT to the Mirror. Across our political parties there is a unified voice and cross party agreements not thought to be possible a little while ago.

You seem to be under the misconception that this ill feeling toward Trump is an NSC thing - it just demonstrates how little you understand of UK public and political opinion right now.

But, you probably think it's you and the wife who have the open minds...

Trump has all but united NSC, something I never thought possible.

 

[Curious Orange]

You really are showing how out of touch with the UK you are if you think this is just an NSC phenomenon of collective opinion on the matter of Trump and Ukraine. Universally across our media was condemnation of Trump's actions from the Mail to the Guardian, FT to the Mirror. Across our political parties there is a unified voice and cross party agreements not thought to be possible a little while ago.

You seem to be under the misconception that this ill feeling toward Trump is an NSC thing - it just demonstrates how little you understand of UK public and political opinion right now.

But, you probably think it's you and the wife who have the open minds...

In fairness, Ukraine is a long way from the USA, and his kids probably don't go to school with refugees from that war like ours do.

 

[sparkie]

The upside is that Europe is growing stronger.

Trump’s childish pro-Russia stance is isolating the U.S.

Until they get an adult in the White House, let’s keep as far away as possible from those Russian assets in the White House.

America Alone

 

[nicko31]

At this moment in time that really isn't the point. The fact of the matter is that we are paying over the odds for our current energy requirements because the expenditure is not even staying within the UK economy or providing UK jobs.

That is not to say that reducing our dependence on fossil fuels is a bad thing, just that the current path to doing so is really badly thought out, and environmentally unsound to boot.

We are on the verge of war, and we simply aren't prepared for it because we are categorically not energy independent.

We pay over the odds because energy is linked to the most expensive source of energy, ie gas

The energy market needs to be reformed then we will take advantage of cheap renewables.

Labour are in the right track, the Tories were obsessed with legacy fossil fuels and extracting the dregs from the North Sea to rewards no one but primary extractors

 

[highflyer]

You really are showing how out of touch with the UK you are if you think this is just an NSC phenomenon of collective opinion on the matter of Trump and Ukraine. Universally across our media was condemnation of Trump's actions from the Mail to the Guardian, FT to the Mirror. Across our political parties there is a unified voice and cross party agreements not thought to be possible a little while ago.

You seem to be under the misconception that this ill feeling toward Trump is an NSC thing - it just demonstrates how little you understand of UK public and political opinion right now.

But, you probably think it's you and the wife who have the open minds...

Not just the UK. Outside of Russia and the Trump.supporting part of the US, I suspect at least 95% + of the world with access to, and interest in, global media will (correctly) consider that Vance and Trump acted like classless dicks. That's in addition to their myriad other political and personal faults ('myriad' means 'lots of').

 

[Gazwag]

With Trump aligning with Putin, should the genuine free world now be looking at boycotting the world cup next year?

Only the part played in US the Canada and Mexico bits can stay

 

[Shins]

I'm joining a protest at the USA Embassy in London tomorrow. It's the very least I can do.

Thanks for a heads up one is happening. I'll be joining you

 

[nicko31]

Only the part played in US the Canada and Mexico bits can stay

They have the World Cup and of course the Olympics, it will be cringeworthy throughout