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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 175 42.3%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 216 52.2%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    414
  • Poll closed .


A1X

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If you wouldn’t accept Trump deciding France should have Kent, Sussex and Hampshire without the consent of the British Government, you cannot claim what Trump is doing to Ukraine is acceptable
 




The Clamp

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Trump could also be trying to set some kind of precedent (spelling?) to pave the way for him grabbing the bits he wants, Greenland etc.

ie; avoid conflict by negotiation (blackmail).

I dunno. I’ll be honest, I haven’t a clue what the maniac is up to.

Could be as simple as he wants to be the guy that ended the war? That would be consistent with his narcissistic tendencies?
 




The Clamp

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The fooking Guardian. Give me a break
They have a point. Or do you object to points of view if they are in a publication you don’t like?

I can’t stand the Guardian mostly, but here, they have a point.
 


BN41Albion

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Oct 1, 2017
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Apologies if previously posted - but probably worth posting several times! Every American should be made to watch it (although half the thickos will probably think it's fake news or propaganda). Very worrying stuff.



:( :( :( :( :(

Problem is, maga fuckwits won't watch/listen because he's a leftwing looney in their eyes
So depressing
 




A1X

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Trump could also be trying to set some kind of precedent (spelling?) to pave the way for him grabbing the bits he wants, Greenland etc.

ie; avoid conflict by negotiation (blackmail).

I dunno. I’ll be honest, I haven’t a clue what the maniac is up to.

Could be as simple as he wants to be the guy that ended the war? That would be consistent with his narcissistic tendencies?
I wouldn’t rush to assume any sort f future planning is involved, I doubt even his biggest fans would think Donny is the smartest guy in the room. The idea he’s playing 4D chess for future negotiations sounds very far away to me.
 


The Clamp

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Scappa

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Short extract:
This was Ruth Ben-Ghiat on Tuesday. She’s a historian of fascism and authoritarianism at New York University and she said this even before some of this week’s most extreme events had taken place. (A transcript of the rest of her words here.)

“It’s very unusual. In my study of authoritarian states, it's only really after a coup that you see such a speed, such obsessive haste to purge bureaucracy so quickly. Or when somebody is defending themselves, like Erdogan after the coup attempt against him, massive purge immediately. So that's unusual.
I don't have another reference point for a private individual coming in, infiltrating, trying to turn government to the benefit of his businesses and locking out and federal employees
 
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Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Trump could also be trying to set some kind of precedent (spelling?) to pave the way for him grabbing the bits he wants, Greenland etc.

ie; avoid conflict by negotiation (blackmail).

I dunno. I’ll be honest, I haven’t a clue what the maniac is up to.

Could be as simple as he wants to be the guy that ended the war? That would be consistent with his narcissistic tendencies?
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The primary goal of Russia's invasion of Ukraine is to steal their resources and meet its broader strategy of market monopolization and price manipulation. Ukraine holds over 110 billion tons of proven mineral reserves across 100+ resource types. It is valued between $15 - $26 trillion.

Ukraine is rich in critical materials for energy transition: lithium(500,000 tons), nickel, cobalt, and non-ferrous metals—essential for batteries and renewable tech. Ukraine holds the largest titanium reserves in Europe, accounting for 7 percent of the world’s reserves.

The regions containing these mineral deposits align with areas targeted or already occupied by Russian forces, including Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, and Zaporizhzhia regions. Significant deposits are also located in Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Poltava, and Kryvyi Rih

Ukraine also has to promise not to join NATO.



Some deal.
 
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The Clamp

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The primary goal of Russia's invasion of Ukraine is to steal their resources and meet its broader strategy of market monopolization and price manipulation. Ukraine holds over 110 billion tons of proven mineral reserves across 100+ resource types. It is valued between $15 - $26 trillion.

Ukraine is rich in critical materials for energy transition: lithium(500,000 tons), nickel, cobalt, and non-ferrous metals—essential for batteries and renewable tech. Ukraine holds the largest titanium reserves in Europe, accounting for 7 percent of the world’s reserves.

The regions containing these mineral deposits align with areas targeted or already occupied by Russian forces, including Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, and Zaporizhzhia regions. Significant deposits are also located in Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Poltava, and Kryvyi Rih

Ukraine also has to promise not to join NATO.



Some deal.
Very good observations.

And Trump wants his hands on it.
 


Motogull

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I completely agree with everything you're saying about the situation, but I don't think perceived appeasement is the same as 'Trump selling Ukraine to Russia.'

Look at Northern Ireland—Britain refused to negotiate for decades, treating the IRA as terrorists rather than engaging in meaningful diplomacy. It took years of conflict, thousands of deaths, and international pressure before they finally sat down to talk. And even then, the British government only did so when it became clear they couldn't win militarily. If negotiations had started sooner, how many lives could have been saved?

A peace process—no matter how distasteful the compromises—usually requires talking to all sides, even aggressors. That doesn’t mean handing over everything they want, but it does mean acknowledging reality and working toward an outcome that actually ends the bloodshed.
I believe the twin towers attack accelerated common sense in NI. America had not experienced terrorism, and New York in particular was a source of funding for the IRA. I suspect the combination of America's response to the twin towers helped persuade the IRA to sort themselves out.
 






BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Apologies if previously posted - but probably worth posting several times! Every American should be made to watch it (although half the thickos will probably think it's fake news or propaganda). Very worrying stuff.



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This video begs two questions for me:

Where are the democrats and the decent Republicans calling this stuff out?

How do we live in a world where Bernie was seen as a poor choice for the president?
 


BiffyBoy100

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Apr 20, 2020
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I believe the twin towers attack accelerated common sense in NI. America had not experienced terrorism, and New York in particular was a source of funding for the IRA. I suspect the combination of America's response to the twin towers helped persuade the IRA to sort themselves out.
haha, this has to be satire?
 




GoldstoneVintage

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Oct 20, 2024
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Europe
This video begs two questions for me:

Where are the democrats and the decent Republicans calling this stuff out?

How do we live in a world where Bernie was seen as a poor choice for the president?
My thoughts exactly. Tells you a lot that this guy never got close to being President.
 


zefarelly

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He should be telling Putin it was not a good war to get into.
As if.

we are living in the late 1920s/early 1930's again but with worse and lesser people at the helms.

our beloved island is full of tards and crooks, and we don't own much of what we float on, if its above brown water.

Putin is evil no doubt, Trump is more dangerous. For the whole world.

Musk is merely loitering with intent . . . .next president.

cynical? Moi?
 








cheshunt seagull

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Jul 5, 2003
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Very good observations.

And Trump wants his hands on it.
Two autocratic rulers grab control of resource rich neighbours by force or some other form of coercion with each other's blessing. They both ignore the response of other nation and transnational organisations as well as international law
Might is right. The new world order that Trump is so clearly attracted to starts to become a reality.
 




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