[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[BadFish]

Exactly my thoughts. Just laughing emojis on posts. Very clever

Everyone ignores him so it's the only way he can communicate/get attention.

 

[Fignon's Ponytail]

Trump signing all these EO's super quick, like a kid who tries to cram his homework into 10 mins so he can go outside for a kick-about with his mates before tea.

Must have a round of golf booked for 9am in the morning...

 

[beorhthelm]

Something I don't quite understand is these Executive orders. If it's such a fabulous democracy how can the president take his own unilateral actions and change some seriously fundamental policies and judicial verdicts at a whim. Obviously not just Trump, Biden and others as well but just seems really strange.

he cant. much of the time these executive orders amount to a wish to do something. some government agency has to do the actual implemention with in the law and budgets. that often means changing laws and budgets. Presential authority is much less than the perception, no budget, little direct powers, the theatre of executive orders makes them look like they've acted.

 

[nevergoagain]

he cant. much of the time these executive orders amount to a wish to do something. some government agency has to do the actual implemention with in the law and budgets. that often means changing laws and budgets. Presential authority is much less than the perception, no budget, little direct powers, the theatre of executive orders makes them look like they've acted.

maybe some of them but you can guarantee we will see a whole raft of those capitol rioters walking out of prison this week, tik-tok is already back online and he will start rounding up illegals. Not sure on things like WHO and Paris agreement if anything actually needs to happen or if he can just withdraw any co-operation and delegates from future meetings/reports.

 

[BadFish]

he cant. much of the time these executive orders amount to a wish to do something. some government agency has to do the actual implemention with in the law and budgets. that often means changing laws and budgets. Presential authority is much less than the perception, no budget, little direct powers, the theatre of executive orders makes them look like they've acted.

He has reverse a load that Biden did. If they are all about theatre how did Biden make the changes.

Do you have an example?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Easy to make a gif out of context. If you watch the speech he puts his hand on his heart and then raises his hand and afterwards says my heart goes out to you.

However, the ridiculous facial expression would suggest he's on a massive wind up and has succeeded.

About as believable.

 

[BadFish]

maybe some of them but you can guarantee we will see a whole raft of those capitol rioters walking out of prison this week, tik-tok is already back online and he will start rounding up illegals. Not sure on things like WHO and Paris agreement if anything actually needs to happen or if he can just withdraw any co-operation and delegates from future meetings/reports.

He withdrew front eh Paris agreement last time, then Biden went back in, now he has withdrawn again.

Doesn't sound like it's that hard.

 

[nicko31]

RIP the climate

Trying to be positive there is a lot going on with renewables in the US driven by commercial reality. Just look at whats going on in Texas with wind and solar on an industrial scale

That said leaving the Paris 2015 agreement for a second time is pretty bad. Clearly many Trump voters care very little for their kids and grandkids and are only concerned by the short term, and ignorance is pretty much no longer an excuse

 

[beorhthelm]

He has reverse a load that Biden did. If they are all about theatre how did Biden make the changes.

Do you have an example?

the fact he reversed previous EO illustrates the point they are not fixed, not law. a good example would be Trump 1.0 Mexican wall, never happened because there wasn't any funds from congress. another would be changing the name of Gulf of Mexico, some text books and government references might change, rest of the world will ignore it.

 

[ROSM]

And it's both sides. Lot of focus on trump pardons on this thread. Unless I'm mistaken Biden just pardoned his whole dodgy family, who have become very rich off government contracts and who also like to dabble in class A's while exploiting women.

Actually he pre emptively pardoned them in case of there being a political witch hunt against them. In the same way as he pre emptively pardoned a number of republican former senators and representatives to prevent them being subject to a witch hunt

You may believe that of his family but as they (with the exception of hunter) haven't been charged or convicted of anything it is just an accusation.

Unlike the c1500 convicted violent criminals who are now roaming free with their gun rights reinstated.

 

[JBizzle]

Trump signing all these EO's super quick, like a kid who tries to cram his homework into 10 mins so he can go outside for a kick-about with his mates before tea.

Must have a round of golf booked for 9am in the morning...

I think it's more to do with the fact that the sooner he signs them, the sooner he can start dealing with the legal challenges. I suspect a few of these will be held up in the courts for a while

 

[nicko31]

Actually he pre emptively pardoned them in case of there being a political witch hunt against them. In the same way as he pre emptively pardoned a number of republican former senators and representatives to prevent them being subject to a witch hunt

You may believe that of his family but as they (with the exception of hunter) haven't been charged or convicted of anything it is just an accusation.

Unlike the c1500 convicted violent criminals who are now roaming free with their gun rights reinstated.

Most definitely not the same. But Trump has completely degraded the system and the rule of law.

If he loses in 4 years, will there be a Mike Pence to do the right thing? America has signed away the protections on the democracy and freedom which it supposedly cherishes.

Again we had a version of it here, Brexiters that were obsessed with sovereignty but looked the other way when parliament was shut down by Johnson when it didn't do what he wanted.

 

[HillBarnTillIDie]

Well that's the end of the " American Dream ". looks like joe Biden's pre-emptive pardons were necessary and an indicator of what is to come. All the Jan 6 rioters being pardoned is a devastating blow to democracy and the rule of law. All the fringe nutters can come out of the darkness now and know they are safe with the king nut Job in charge. I pity anyone in law enforcement, the military and the US government who may be given orders that are in conflict with the US constitution and its amendments.

Additionally, its probably going to lead to more international conflict as America, under Trump steps back from international affairs unless it suits his agenda. The Big Man is willing to pick on Panama and Greenland like a playground bully but can't stand up against Putin, Kim Jong Un and XI.

Bye bye planet too as the idiot plans to drill, drill drill despite the obvious data and science. The US could have set the lead in clean energy and its technology but that is gone too in the pursuit of quick cash and populism. The only hope really is for him to meet a sticky end before it all goes down the drain.

Cheer up.
Trumps going to be good for everyone.
Just wait and see.

P.s name calling and wishing someone's demise is not a very grown up response. Very childish in fact, and something Trump himself has been accused of.
Im sure your better then that.

Have a good day.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Cheer up.
Trumps going to be good for everyone.
Just wait and see.

P.s name calling and wishing someone's demise is not a very grown up response. Very childish in fact, and something Trump himself has been accused of.
Im sure your better then that.

Have a good day.

Even illegal Mexican immigrants?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Even illegal Mexican immigrants?

They’re good for cheap labour. Those who are rounded up will be for show.

 

[BadFish]

Even illegal Mexican immigrants?

And trans people. My son's trans and gay friends in the US are already very concerned about the way things are going.

 

[BadFish]

Cheer up.
Trumps going to be good for everyone.
Just wait and see.

I wish I had your confidence.

 

[nicko31]

Cheer up.
Trumps going to be good for everyone.
Just wait and see.

P.s name calling and wishing someone's demise is not a very grown up response. Very childish in fact, and something Trump himself has been accused of.
Im sure your better then that.

Have a good day.

Trump won't be good for everyone. He will reward the super rich, its pretty obvious. Have to give it to him the way he has manipulated different groups in the Venn diagram whilst simultaneously picking their pockets to reward a few is quite something. He is an evil genius.

A well practiced strategy of making the dirt poor even poorer to convince the poor they're climbing up the ladder, meanwhile inequality increases in his own backyard

 

[Eeyore]

Well after all this has happened something good has come out of it. Seeing that Zuckerberg chap with the other toads at the ceremony has made me begin the process of deleting my Facebook account. I'm sure it's headed towards the cesspit. Twitter felt like a liberation, so this should be good. Just need to get the details of folk I want to keep contact with first. It's surprising how many we use FB for the first line of contact.

 

[nicko31]

And trans people. My son's trans and gay friends in the US are already very concerned about the way things are going.

Add climate refugees to the list