[Politics] Donald Trump, US President Elect 2025

[BadFish]

Risk to Global security? Hes the only president who didn't start a war in a long time, got peace going in the middle East with the Abraham Acords. Were as Joe has Ukraine, Israel and the Afghanistan pull out debacle.

Ignoring the Kafka trap, its the Left that are racial politicking, White Supremacy/Priv etc.

Facts are not agreeing with your claims.

he's also the only president in a long time who encouraged a civil war.

 

[Albion my Albion]

More importantly who are you to say the election wasn't rigged?

Who are you to say it was rigged?

I can say it wasn't rigged because there has been no evidence in over 3 years that has been brought to court in front of Republican judges in elections run by both Republicans & Democrats that proves it.

PROVE IT IN COURT!!!!!

The Trumpsters have tried and can't do it!!!

 

[Albion my Albion]

But you're not all there and there's no point explaining things to you that have been explained many many times before. Bye

No truer sentence ever on this message board.

 

[Albion my Albion]

On Monday during his speech at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina Biden fights back and a crowd on live TV supported him when protestors tried to interrupt him.

Go to around the 28 minute mark and see the response to the protestors and Biden calls Trump a liar and his dereliction of duty to call off the protestors but instead fan the violence and called Trump a LOSER!

 

[Curious Orange]

Who are you to say it was rigged?

I can say it wasn't rigged because there has been no evidence in over 3 years that has been brought to court in front of Republican judges in elections run by both Republicans & Democrats that proves it.

PROVE IT IN COURT!!!!!

The Trumpsters have tried and can't do it!!!

Strictly speaking the Trump team, in those 60-odd cases, never attempted to bring forward evidence of voter fraud, and in at least one case they specifically said that they weren't trying to allege fraud.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Strictly speaking the Trump team, in those 60-odd cases, never attempted to bring forward evidence of voter fraud, and in at least one case they specifically said that they weren't trying to allege fraud.

Okay, probably should have said Trumpsters say there is evidence of election rigging but Trump's lawyers have never produced it in court.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Looks like republicans are picking up the habit as well with booting people of ballots, its all wrong.

One thing. "Off" is spelled off. When you spell it "of" it means something totally different.

 

[Mellotron]

 

[Cordwainer]

One thing. "Off" is spelled off. When you spell it "of" it means something totally different.

I was starting to wonder what the poor people of Ballot had done to deserve such regular kickings.

 

[Albion my Albion]

MSN

Evidence is evidence. If Jack Smith does come through with the damning evidence in court, after Trump is done stalling, there will be nothing Trump can do but maybe get a light sentence because the judge might be afraid of the Trumpsters' reaction.

"Trump’s reported statements are loaded with cruelty, self-interest, and abandonment of allies. It becomes indisputable that he was using his most violent followers to try to override the voters’ will and keep himself in power," Aftergut wrote.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

So, in an ideal world everyone votes rationally and that means they'd be safe to vote rationally again the next time.

What if people vote irrationally though? Say they are persuaded to vote for someone who is known to only be running for their own self-interest, and has previous form for lying about election results, and this results in a broken democracy when they win?

Is it okay to break democracy in order that anyone can run?

Example? Define Irrational.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

His bellicosity and antagonistic attitude to anyone that doesn’t support his political agenda will be a risk to all if he gets elected for another term:

Fact

• Trump took the US out of the Iran Nuclear Deal - antagonised Iran with crippling sanctions instead, created instability in the West and Israel’s sense of security by removing the mechanisms for inspection.
• Trump further escalated tensions caused by imposing sanctions on Iran by assassinating top Iranian General, Qasem Soleimani
• Trump gambled with threatening the world’s worst nuclear armed dictator with nuclear annihilation because of his own vanity - in doing so, he enabled a closer partnership between NK and China.
• Trump undermined NATO for years before signalling to Putin that the US would ignore Article 5 which calls for NATO to come to the support of any member who was under attack.
• Trump repeatedly cosied up to Putin and undermined Ukraine - using Presidential powers to solicit foreign electoral intervention for his 2020 election bid and calling Putins invasion of Ukraine as ‘savvy’ and ‘genius’.
• Trump has repeatedly dog whistled to extremist armed militia in the States
• Trump’s Peace Plan cosied up to the most extreme right wing leader in Israeli history by agreeing a Plan that would hand over 30% of illegally occupied territory in the West Bank to Netanyahu, transfer the American Embassy to Jerusalem- deny Palestinians the right to their own State - thereby further inflaming resistance, and undermining efforts of Arab States to normalise relations with Israel.
• Trump pulled out of the Paris Agreement on the Climate - increasing likelihood of future insecurity both at a national and international level. https://www.unep.org/topics/fresh-water/disasters-and-climate-change/environment-security/climate-change-and-security#:~:text=In recent years, the linkages,local levels, or even internationally.

Your facts are drivel. Trump wiped out 300 Wagner is Syria. "Dog whistiling"= Conspiracy theory, Militias are legitimate in the USA unlike BLM/Antifa who burnt down cities and murdered over 30 people at the Bequest of Democrats and Soros backed DAs who played catch and release. I really cant be bothers with your other "facts".

 

[Crawley Dingo]

The rigging that you're claiming happened - yes.



Trump? No. He asked governors to find more votes.

I guess you'll also claim that Trump didn't encourage people to take capital hill in his last ditch attempt to disrupt democracy.

But you're not all there and there's no point explaining things to you that have been explained many many times before. Bye

Trump told the protesters to go home in peace, and bye. Good.

 

[Curious Orange]

Example? Define Irrational.

I take it you don't have a dictionary to hand.

 

[Curious Orange]

Trump told the protesters to go home in peace, and bye. Good.

Probably should have done that immediately they tried to break into the Capitol, don't you think? He could have saved several lives, a lot of injuries, and kept many people out of prison.

 

[Zeberdi]

Your facts are drivel.

What a ridiculous response. Dispute the facts I have listed then - what did I say that wasn’t true? - that’s right, nothing - you can not dismiss facts as ‘drivel’ just because you don’t like them - that’s twice now you have called my responses ‘deranged‘ or ‘drivel’ - yet failed to address the specific points or proven them to be false.

Do I need to repeat my list of his global ‘achievements’ with half a dozen references for each point?

 

[nicko31]

Your facts are drivel. Trump wiped out 300 Wagner is Syria. "Dog whistiling"= Conspiracy theory, Militias are legitimate in the USA unlike BLM/Antifa who burnt down cities and murdered over 30 people at the Bequest of Democrats and Soros backed DAs who played catch and release. I really cant be bothers with your other "facts".

Sounds like you've been watching Newsmax on Freeview

 

[Zeberdi]

Trump told the protesters to go home in peace, and bye. Good.

That’s a true conspiracist take on him dog whistling them all to march on the Capitol in the first place that it was to “save our Country“ and “protect our constitution from the democrats” and him telling the crowds “Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal”

So after rallying up the Mega crowd into believing the whole election was a fraud (never proven) he then rallied them into believing they had to stop Mike Pence from declaring the results and ‘take back’ the Country ‘today’. Telling a frenzied and angry crowd to do so ‘peacefully’ in the very disingenuous manner he uses was just a whistle in the wind in the context of his whole rebel rousing speech and Trump knew it.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

EDIT - I note that Trump isn’t denying the charges of incitement, he is arguing that he has presidential immunity against prosecution …

 

[nicko31]

What worries me is that in 2016 we had a lunatic that didn't know what he was doing, but there were adults around him people that moderated him. It wasn't great but we avoided the worse.

In 2024 we have a lunatic that now knows what is he is doing, if he wins he will feel vindicated in full, his numerous crimes don't count, the truth doesn't count and the adults are all gone. Just sycophants around him.

God help us

 

[Albion my Albion]

Your facts are drivel. Trump wiped out 300 Wagner is Syria. "Dog whistiling"= Conspiracy theory, Militias are legitimate in the USA unlike BLM/Antifa who burnt down cities and murdered over 30 people at the Bequest of Democrats and Soros backed DAs who played catch and release. I really cant be bothers with your other "facts".

You are full of 2 things, 5h!t & conspiracy theories. Get over it. It can't be all true and 99% isn't. Ask most Republicans. Yep, Trumpsters aren't even a majority of the Republicans. Just gotta have them to win the nomination.