[Politics] Donald Trump, US President Elect 2025

[Han Solo]

Hilarious to see all the desperation to smear Biden via his son. All the"But, look at Hunter " stuff compared to the crimes, and misdemeanours commited by Trump and those around him is equally hilarious and sad.

By electing Trump it has shown that the ( very slight ) majority of Americans are racist, ignorant and gullible. When history is written of this time it will be endlessly analysed and the recurring questions will be how ? and why ? Incredible that a man so dysfunctional, crass, ignorant, and full of hatred and rage could rise to power TWICE !

The hows and whys are very easy to see if you zoom out and stop having a horse in the race.

People are miserable and want change. If the establishment that made them miserable says "don't vote Trump" and has that as its only political ambition/idea/vision. The middle class don't want to understand the working class though and will lable them "ignorant and gullible". Their wrath will (unfortunately?) eventually lead to the question "who was gullible - really?". Was it the "left" who thought it had time and space for identity politics and building the world around "but the other guy is worse!" or was it the "right wing", who saw the misery of the people and "played the game" according to that reality.

Personally don't give a shit who they have as their president, but still surprised that liberals get surprised when the Trumps, Orbans and Putins of the world gets popular. Its very easy to sit in the safety of a warm home and say "lol they're only doing that because trolls tell them to on Twitter". This way of seeing things is detached from the problems actually people face and want to change (not that it'll happen) through ousting the "good guys", who in many eyes aren't all that good.

Its quite similar to Europe before the French revolution. People who had good lives didn't see the suffering of the average man and thus did nothing to help the average man out. Eventually the average man had enough. The artistocracy and the bourgeoisie had nice educations, more money and higher life standard than ever and when the poor slobs all around France (and surroudnings) rose up, those better off often to the very end kept their "but we're the good guys and you're the slobs, why are you doing this to us?" mentality.

Not willing to get into any debate of US politics or Trump vs Biden etc but people need to realise that increasing levels of poverty, unemployment and drug abuse needs to be dealt with and not ignored. The "trust me, Biden is a good guy because Trump says nasty things" isn't going to work on someone trying to feed a family on $9 an hour while fending off the crack smoking neighbours trying to steal their cars. The 100+ million Americans living in similar conditions will obviously vote to get rid of what they perceive as the establishment.

 

[BadFish]

The hows and whys are very easy to see if you zoom out and stop having a horse in the race.

People are miserable and want change. If the establishment that made them miserable says "don't vote Trump" and has that as its only political ambition/idea/vision. The middle class don't want to understand the working class though and will lable them "ignorant and gullible". Their wrath will (unfortunately?) eventually lead to the question "who was gullible - really?". Was it the "left" who thought it had time and space for identity politics and building the world around "but the other guy is worse!" or was it the "right wing", who saw the misery of the people and "played the game" according to that reality.

Personally don't give a shit who they have as their president, but still surprised that liberals get surprised when the Trumps, Orbans and Putins of the world gets popular. Its very easy to sit in the safety of a warm home and say "lol they're only doing that because trolls tell them to on Twitter". This way of seeing things is detached from the problems actually people face and want to change (not that it'll happen) through ousting the "good guys", who in many eyes aren't all that good.

Its quite similar to Europe before the French revolution. People who had good lives didn't see the suffering of the average man and thus did nothing to help the average man out. Eventually the average man had enough. The artistocracy and the bourgeoisie had nice educations, more money and higher life standard than ever and when the poor slobs all around France (and surroudnings) rose up, those better off often to the very end kept their "but we're the good guys and you're the slobs, why are you doing this to us?" mentality.

Not willing to get into any debate of US politics or Trump vs Biden etc but people need to realise that increasing levels of poverty, unemployment and drug abuse needs to be dealt with and not ignored. The "trust me, Biden is a good guy because Trump says nasty things" isn't going to work on someone trying to feed a family on $9 an hour while fending off the crack smoking neighbours trying to steal their cars. The 100+ million Americans living in similar conditions will obviously vote to get rid of what they perceive as the establishment.

What concerns me is what happens with people, should Trump turn out not to be the solution they are hoping. What happens if he turns out to be another rich fucker only in it for him and his fellow rich fuckers?

If this unlikely outcome comes to fruition I wonder if the history books will ask the question as to why people didn't see it coming?

Still my point is moot, because he is going to sort everyone out.

 

[vegster]

The hows and whys are very easy to see if you zoom out and stop having a horse in the race.

People are miserable and want change. If the establishment that made them miserable says "don't vote Trump" and has that as its only political ambition/idea/vision. The middle class don't want to understand the working class though and will lable them "ignorant and gullible". Their wrath will (unfortunately?) eventually lead to the question "who was gullible - really?". Was it the "left" who thought it had time and space for identity politics and building the world around "but the other guy is worse!" or was it the "right wing", who saw the misery of the people and "played the game" according to that reality.

Personally don't give a shit who they have as their president, but still surprised that liberals get surprised when the Trumps, Orbans and Putins of the world gets popular. Its very easy to sit in the safety of a warm home and say "lol they're only doing that because trolls tell them to on Twitter". This way of seeing things is detached from the problems actually people face and want to change (not that it'll happen) through ousting the "good guys", who in many eyes aren't all that good.

Its quite similar to Europe before the French revolution. People who had good lives didn't see the suffering of the average man and thus did nothing to help the average man out. Eventually the average man had enough. The artistocracy and the bourgeoisie had nice educations, more money and higher life standard than ever and when the poor slobs all around France (and surroudnings) rose up, those better off often to the very end kept their "but we're the good guys and you're the slobs, why are you doing this to us?" mentality.

Not willing to get into any debate of US politics or Trump vs Biden etc but people need to realise that increasing levels of poverty, unemployment and drug abuse needs to be dealt with and not ignored. The "trust me, Biden is a good guy because Trump says nasty things" isn't going to work on someone trying to feed a family on $9 an hour while fending off the crack smoking neighbours trying to steal their cars. The 100+ million Americans living in similar conditions will obviously vote to get rid of what they perceive as the establishment.

Things will not get better though. No coherent policy's other than a scattergun " We're going to fix ----------- " when it's obvious that a multi millionaire who has made a career out of exploiting others is not on the side of the disaffected.

 

[BadFish]

Things will not get better though. No coherent policy's other than a scattergun " We're going to fix ----------- " when it's obvious that a multi millionaire who has made a career out of exploiting others is not on the side of the disaffected.

This. And this is where the confusion sits.

People may be looking for an alternative to the norm but what makes them think he is it?

I guess the short answer is 'because he says so'. Which begs the question 'why do they believe him.'

Its as insane to think his crony Farage in the UK is going to help people who are struggling.

 

[vegster]

This. And this is where the confusion sits.

People may be looking for an alternative to the norm but what makes them think he is it?

I guess the short answer is 'because he says so'. Which begs the question 'why do they believe him.'

Its as insane to think his crony Farage in the UK is going to help people who are struggling.

There was a hilarious outcry when Mandleson was proposed for British Ambassador to the US, and, that Farage would be the best man for the job ! Would have been nice earner for Nige but yet another kick in the teeth for the people of Clacton.

 

[A1X]

Would have been nice earner for Nige but yet another kick in the teeth for the people of Clacton.

I dunno, it might have meant a by-election and they could elect someone who actually gives a shit about them.

 

[Han Solo]

What concerns me is what happens with people, should Trump turn out not to be the solution they are hoping. What happens if he turns out to be another rich fucker only in it for him and his fellow rich fuckers?

If this unlikely outcome comes to fruition I wonder if the history books will ask the question as to why people didn't see it coming?

Still my point is moot, because he is going to sort everyone out.

The history books doesn't have to wonder, as the mechanisms of how crowds and individuals function are already there.

Things will not get better though. No coherent policy's other than a scattergun " We're going to fix ----------- " when it's obvious that a multi millionaire who has made a career out of exploiting others is not on the side of the disaffected.

Ôf course they're not going to get better. Never the intention from anyone. Not even most of his voters want it - they just want the wheels to come off because they're afraid that society is driving 200km/h in the wrong direction.

Democracy has served its purpose and needs to be removed. The practice of electing the octogenerian with the best PR team was fun for like 150 years but ultimately can not compete with data and modern computers. But its a rather big change and people don't want it until they want it. A World War 2-like global crisis created by democratically elected governments will make people pick the safety of a supercomputer over the "freedom" to choose between two old corrupt shite options.

And since cataclysmic wars and events do happen, the current system is living on borrowed time as the alternative is already ready and waiting. Of course societies will be controlled (for good and/or bad) by computers and facts in the future rather than old men and their lies. It is another level of hyperorganisation and primarly benefits those who have and want to keep power and assets... and mr Donald Trump will make a hell of a job making sure that the Elon Musks of tomorrow will be running things soon enough.