[Politics] Dominic Cummings v H&SC and S&T select committees *Official Match Thread*

[Lyndhurst 14]

That reminds me, what is happening with Cameron and the Greensill enquiry.

I guess as Private Eye would say it will become a case of "Lessons learned", "Er......that's it" and "Trebles all round"

Sir Bufton Tufton would be proud

 

[drew]

That’s not the point I was making - he has form for lying........

Fair enough but my point is that if he is found to have lied to the select committee he could be fined or imprisoned whereas that doesn't apply to evidence at a public inquiry.

 

[Randy McNob]

Cummings is a bright bloke. A lot of what he has said can’t be judged as outright lies or truth as it is not specific enough. He deals in non specific, carefully worded smears which may or may not be ‘true.’ His opinions on Hancock for instance sound about right because well, that bloke doesn’t come across that well. Whether or not he has ‘lied on oath’ about Hancock, that’s another story. I think I would prefer to wait for the official enquiry. Doubtless we will hear of many mistakes made and that will be a similar outcome to those held in many other democratic nations. What will never be proven is whether anybody else could have done any better and people will doubtless fall into line on that depending upon the colour of their rosette.

sorry but that last sentence is frankly ridiculous, it's clear we should have locked down earlier, everyone agrees and Johnson chose to ignore that, in March and at Christmas and even now they didn't put India on the red list until it too late, they never learn. A flipping trained chimp could do better

 

[Machiavelli]

That’s not the point I was making - he has form for lying........

Does he have form for telling the truth? If so, what to do about the two forms?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

sorry but that last sentence is frankly ridiculous, it's clear we should have locked down earlier, everyone agrees and Johnson chose to ignore that, in March and at Christmas and even now they didn't put India on the red list until it too late, they never learn. A flipping trained chimp could do better

I totally agree with you about the late lockdowns. I also think the Christmas exemptions were a mistake and borders should have been completely closed very early on and should still be closed. Enforcement of the rules should also have been much stronger. No beaches, no demonstrations, no football; all in it together. Imagine the howls of protest on NSC from all sides of the political spectrum ! And that’s why Johnson didn’t do any of those things. Not because he is or isn’t a liar but because he is a libertarian as are most people in this country, even if they protest they are not. Another set of politicians would have faced exactly the same constraints and would have made a few different decisions perhaps but we would then have the Tories demanding an enquiry to uncover incompetence.

 

[Bozza]

sorry but that last sentence is frankly ridiculous, it's clear we should have locked down earlier, everyone agrees and Johnson chose to ignore that, in March and at Christmas and even now they didn't put India on the red list until it too late, they never learn. A flipping trained chimp could do better

Everyone? Really?

It may come as a surprise to you, but there's a whole load of people - some very clever and some otherwise - who still believe that there should not have been any lockdowns whatsoever.

One of them, David Paton, still retains this view as he expressed just yesterday during the Cummings Show...

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A Stanford University study suggests lockdown benefits are very marginal:

While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less-restrictive interventions.​

(Note: these are not my views, but I think it's a big stretch to suggest everyone thinks we should have locked down earlier, when there is a considerable number of people who don't think lockdowns work at all. And all of these competing voices must have made it ridiculously difficult for governments of all persuasions and competencies to try and come up with a best approach)

 

[sydney]

Huh?

Anyway, adults in the room are interested in what this known liar has to say and how much of it can be corroborated. From what I heard yesterday, a lot of it rang true for anyone paying attention.

The problem, as has been said already is that when a known liar has already helped create a culture where the truth is secondary, too few people are interested when they do actually spill some truth beans.

Quite funny seeing NSC's most prolific Brexit cheerleaders all getting in a tizzy and absolutely scandalised at the thought of people listening to this utterly dishonest man, Dominic Cummings, *checks notes*, campaign director of Vote Leave. Perhaps yesterday would have been a good idea to ask where the 350 million quid a week for the NHS was.

i think you'll find most people are too lazy to reach beyond the remote control or pick up a newspaper that they can grasp in a hand that already has a packet of fags , a can of dog food and 3 tubes of pringles in it ......we are lazy .....they know it ....we get what we deserve......lemmings , bell ends , idiots ...call it what you will.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Cummings was 100% correct on at least one score: that Care Home Protective Shield thing was complete lying bollocks, and Covid sadly ripped through entire care homes as a result. And due to care home workers often working in more than one care home at a time, that only made thing shockingly worse. It really was criminal neglect, as any care home worker in the early stages of the pandemic would readily testify - and a fact that was readily picked up by NSC at the time

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I see Halloween has started very early this year in the House of Lucas.

Doing so much towards turning Brighton into a shit hole
Jumped up activist at best
Regards
DF

 

[beorhthelm]

sorry but that last sentence is frankly ridiculous, it's clear we should have locked down earlier, everyone agrees and Johnson chose to ignore that, in March and at Christmas and even now they didn't put India on the red list until it too late, they never learn. A flipping trained chimp could do better

its too easy to say that without evidence or consideration, so much less certain if a week earlier lockdown would have made significant difference.

 

[Charity Shield 1910]

I listened to his evidence whilst working yesterday. There were a few things I agreed with, some things I thought were a bit "trying to make the facts fit to have a pop at people" but the main take I had is something the press seem to have largely (but not completely) ignored. We have all been paying for a Civil Service to produce a disaster plan just for these sorts of events and the head of the Civil Service walks in to see the PM to say:-

".. well you know that disaster plan, well yes we took the salary for the last 30 odd years but er, the plan that we have been working on for 30 years, well erm, how do I put this, ah yes, it is er, well, work in progress."

And in Blackadder style talking to Baldrick, the PM says to the head of the Civil Service " ..so you don't have a disaster plan".

The PM, Cummings and the rest then had to do the Civil Service's job for them at speed and with huge time pressure on them. Remarkable. Is the head of the civil service likely to walk the plank?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I disagree. He's a man who thinks he knows best about certain things. Brexit was important to him. Keeping the tories in power never was. He has no interest in his own popularity. He isn't a narcissist, and he will undoubtedly call a spade a spade. When you agree with him you'll view him as a cunning ally. When you disgree with him he becomes a dangerous enemy. He is also, obviously, extremely arrogant. An interesting character. Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power, though.

Just wondering whether I should report your post, some would have read into that you are an obvious racist, with the language you use.

Don't worry, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's worth thinking about sometimes.

sorry but that last sentence is frankly ridiculous, it's clear we should have locked down earlier, everyone agrees and Johnson chose to ignore that, in March and at Christmas and even now they didn't put India on the red list until it too late, they never learn. A flipping trained chimp could do better

McNob for PM then

I am just glad I never said trained Chimp or the usual suspects would have read something very different into it.

Just wait for the public inquiry, meanwhile, the boys and girls have a job to get on with.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Doing so much towards turning Brighton into a shit hole
Jumped up activist at best
Regards
DF

I can't say I know what she is doing for Brighton, but I can say she always comes across as a bitter and twisted lady.

I would recommend she does some croqueting or something that can release her angry thoughts.

 

[Jim D]

I listened to his evidence whilst working yesterday. There were a few things I agreed with, some things I thought were a bit "trying to make the facts fit to have a pop at people" but the main take I had is something the press seem to have largely (but not completely) ignored. We have all been paying for a Civil Service to produce a disaster plan just for these sorts of events and the head of the Civil Service walks in to see the PM to say:-

".. well you know that disaster plan, well yes we took the salary for the last 30 odd years but er, the plan that we have been working on for 30 years, well erm, how do I put this, ah yes, it is er, well, work in progress."

And in Blackadder style talking to Baldrick, the PM says to the head of the Civil Service " ..so you don't have a disaster plan".

The PM, Cummings and the rest then had to do the Civil Service's job for them at speed and with huge time pressure on them. Remarkable. Is the head of the civil service likely to walk the plank?

That looks like the makings of another meeting for Adolf and the boys in their bunker......

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I can't say I know what she is doing for Brighton, but I can say she always comes across as a bitter and twisted lady.

I would recommend she does some croqueting or something that can release her angry thoughts.

As I said mouldy a jumped up activist
Regards
DF

 

[Charity Shield 1910]

That looks like the makings of another meeting for Adolf and the boys in their bunker......

I really have no idea what your comment means!

 

[amexer]

I imagine he just wants to stick the boot in. I don't believe he's doing anything in a spirit of public service.
Very weirdly, it does seem that it may be telling the truth that is allowing him to do that. Up to people to prove he's lying now.

Dont think it needs much proving to say his story about driving 30 miles each way to test his eyes was false especially as he had wife and child in car

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Some very very confused people now. The architect of Brexit now going up against the implementer. Blue on blue. Who to turn against. The person you backed to the hilt 9 months ago now sticking the knife in. Confusing times for the small minded.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Just wondering whether I should report your post, some would have read into that you are an obvious racist, with the language you use.

Don't worry, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's worth thinking about sometimes.



McNob for PM then

I am just glad I never said trained Chimp or the usual suspects would have read something very different into it.

Just wait for the public inquiry, meanwhile, the boys and girls have a job to get on with.

Cummings long shot is the public inquiry. By putting his cards on the table now they will be in the public domain and as such will have to addressed (most likely under some form of oath) at the public inquiry. Very clever and it has made Boris et al life very difficult.


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[Charity Shield 1910]

Some very very confused people now. The architect of Brexit now going up against the implementer. Blue on blue. Who to turn against. The person you backed to the hilt 9 months ago now sticking the knife in. Confusing times for the small minded.

Your last sentence is unpleasant and is the reason I will say no more on this subject. Save that I will ask you to think that the UK Gov is directly elected, something that the person running the Covid response for my German uncle is not. The EU Commission being appointed rather than elected.Who can my uncle vote out? Nobody. I will leave you all to it.