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[Politics] Dominic Cummings v H&SC and S&T select committees *Official Match Thread*
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I'm not disagreeing, or trying to defend him, but I get the impression he is still 'popular' with voters because he did not do what even the Germans did, and vacillate over vaccination (invoking lack of proof of effectiveness/safety in all age groups among other things) that caused more than 3 months delay in the acquisition and deployment of vaccines in the EU, allowing us to buy up massive stocks.
He may not have 'approved' the programme but he could easily have bottled it and vetoed the roll out like the Europeans did.
And of course the Brexitters are using this as evidence that we would have (sorry, would of) been made to hold off the rollout had we stayed in the EU (the truth is all nations were free to go their own way but the likes of Germany cancelled their independent vaccine purchase so as to fit in with the EU and not upset the likes of France and Greece; had we been in the EU, HMG may well have done the same).
Some of the above may be inaccurate. Feel free to tell me Boris had nothing to do with the mass ordering of vast amounts of vaccine, or had any role in the refusal to step back and allow the EU nations their 'fair share' of vaccine. Likewise feel free to explain how the patheticly slow rollout in Germany (a mate of mine who is over 65 got his first jab recently only by blagging one) is just coincidence or a reflection of the relative disorganisation of German society compared with ours. I am quite happy to give Boris no credit if none is due since I detest the man, but I was under the impression . . . . has he fooled me yet again?
Dominic Cummings v H&SC and S&T select committees *Official Match Thread*
The alleged excuse for not sacking him (which was that he’d take the brunt of the blame from the public inquiry and be sacked then, thus saving the PM from resigning) is so Johnsonian. It’s almost funny until you think of the tens of thousands of extra deaths we’ve had due to the incompetence of the pair.
The alleged excuse for not sacking him (which was that he’d take the brunt of the blame from the public inquiry and be sacked then, thus saving the PM from resigning) is so Johnsonian. It’s almost funny until you think of the tens of thousands of extra deaths we’ve had due to the incompetence of the pair.
vegster
Sanity Clause
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Surprisingly Cummings hasn't really dropped anything that wasn't already suspected or patently obvious. It merely confirms what a pack of rats we have in control of the country. Even saying " Johnson is unfit for the job of PM " is pretty obvious to many, even some in the Tory Party, although I do believe that thought hasn't crossed Johnsons mind just yet.
Princess Nut Nut and Dylan better be hiding behind one of those expensive sofa's when Johnson gets home tonight
Princess Nut Nut and Dylan better be hiding behind one of those expensive sofa's when Johnson gets home tonight
nicko31
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Its more on style of governance where Johnson want emulate Hungary, weaken press freedom, attack the judiciary, weaponise immigration etc...
MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 11,873
Quote du jour for me:
“Helen MacNamara said: ‘I’ve come through here to the Prime Minister’s Office to tell you all I think that we’re absolutely ****ed. I think this country is heading for a disaster. I think we’re going to kill thousands of people.’”
Either that or
“He should have been fired for at least 15-20 things, including lying to everybody on multiple occasions in meeting after meeting in the Cabinet room and publicly.”
Absolute box office.
“Helen MacNamara said: ‘I’ve come through here to the Prime Minister’s Office to tell you all I think that we’re absolutely ****ed. I think this country is heading for a disaster. I think we’re going to kill thousands of people.’”
Either that or
“He should have been fired for at least 15-20 things, including lying to everybody on multiple occasions in meeting after meeting in the Cabinet room and publicly.”
Absolute box office.
Half Time Pies
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I experienced this myself first hand, in the early days the hospitals were trying all they could to discharge elderly patients as quickly as possible, without testing for COVID and without giving providers any information on the current COVID situation in the hospital or on the wards. I told my staff to hold firm however it wasn't easy, one consultant told us we would go out of business if we didn't change our attitude. I can understand how many providers felt they had no option and unfortunately some of these people were effectively ticking time bombs, people being discharged in to community care from hospital with COVID.
MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 11,873
I've realise that what I really like is the juxtaposition of the ridiculous sitcom stuff - e.g. Carrie Symonds and the story about the dog, the reverse ferret about Barnard Castle, the keystone cops cabinet meetings - with the utter tragedy that each of these things has contributed to. And all of this refracted through a prism of revenge and self-protection. It's great
Dominic Cummings v H&SC and S&T select committees *Official Match Thread*
According to Cummings today the success of the vaccine rollout was down to keeping it away from the disastrous Dept for Health (and therefore Hancock) and appointing a role to oversee it (Zahawi). Zahawi then recruited a team that actually knew what they were doing.
I'm not disagreeing, or trying to defend him, but I get the impression he is still 'popular' with voters because he did not do what even the Germans did, and vacillate over vaccination (invoking lack of proof of effectiveness/safety in all age groups among other things) that caused more than 3 months delay in the acquisition and deployment of vaccines in the EU, allowing us to buy up massive stocks.
He may not have 'approved' the programme but he could easily have bottled it and vetoed the roll out like the Europeans did.
And of course the Brexitters are using this as evidence that we would have (sorry, would of) been made to hold off the rollout had we stayed in the EU (the truth is all nations were free to go their own way but the likes of Germany cancelled their independent vaccine purchase so as to fit in with the EU and not upset the likes of France and Greece; had we been in the EU, HMG may well have done the same).
Some of the above may be inaccurate. Feel free to tell me Boris had nothing to do with the mass ordering of vast amounts of vaccine, or had any role in the refusal to step back and allow the EU nations their 'fair share' of vaccine. Likewise feel free to explain how the patheticly slow rollout in Germany (a mate of mine who is over 65 got his first jab recently only by blagging one) is just coincidence or a reflection of the relative disorganisation of German society compared with ours. I am quite happy to give Boris no credit if none is due since I detest the man, but I was under the impression . . . . has he fooled me yet again?
According to Cummings today the success of the vaccine rollout was down to keeping it away from the disastrous Dept for Health (and therefore Hancock) and appointing a role to oversee it (Zahawi). Zahawi then recruited a team that actually knew what they were doing.
Seasidesage
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Cummings motivation or whether he is a nice bloke or a prick is entirely irrelevant here. He is not an elected official Boris and the rest of them are. 20 years ago this sort of information would've brought down the government, now they'll probably go up in the polls.
Still hard for Boris to not be able to say little and yet still bask in reflected glory.....
Or even say 'well Cummins would say that wouldn't he but I can't possibly comment'.
Now is not the time.
Randy McNob
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Thats the beauty of ruling a divided country, you only have to please your fan club, the cap doffers and flag shaggers
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 31,263
That's what Donald Trump thought.
Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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Every time you use ‘Boris’ rather than ‘Johnson’ you breathe life into the mythical construct of the pally, bumbling, user-friendly blond chubster rather than the ruthless, nasty specimen he really is.
The Labour Party, YOUR Labour Party, hereby serves you, HWT, with a cease and desist order effective immediately.
Lower West Stander
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If only he hadn’t tested he eyesight in Barnard Castle, he might have got some traction with all this stuff.
He can shout and scream all he likes but it just sounds a bit bitter and twisted.
A shame - as the Government needs to be called to account. But there doesn’t seem to be anyone credible to do it at the moment.
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He can shout and scream all he likes but it just sounds a bit bitter and twisted.
A shame - as the Government needs to be called to account. But there doesn’t seem to be anyone credible to do it at the moment.
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JC Footy Genius
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Who is this Johnston you speak of? Is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson so difficult to remember or spell correctly !?