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But you are always nice and polite though [emoji106]
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I'm afraid that is just the foundation for dialogue and spreading lies completely undermines it.
Johnson is generally a polite liar. Is that why you like him?
For me, it's most important to be truthful, putting substance over style...
Do you share that opinion?
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I suppose technically they did move on, perhaps not the way they planned
Don’t read to much into it, I’m just saying you’re a nice polite poster
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To assume that you know what is in a persons interests by their class, colour or amount of money they have is entirely daft and the first step to dictatorship. It is why nobody, certainly not the state, can properly predict demand. Two people with the same amount of money can have entirely different needs, wants and aspirations. And as for those who try and decide what people want by the colour of their skin, then I have no words for just how daft that is. As such, it is not for you or anyone else, to opine or decide as to what is or is not in "their best interests" IMHO. As an aside does nobody else care that we paid for the civil service to have a disaster plan ready for exactly this eventuality but when it was needed the head of the civil service had to own up to the fact that they had not done one?
Just saying that in my opinion simple politeness should not be sufficient for someone to like you.
If it that niceness hides insincerity as it does with Johnson then that tends to give his followers misplaced faith in him...
But don't read too much into it; I am sure you are aware of that.
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Arguably because at that point Ken had completely lost the plot.
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His detractors don't see they are pawns in the phoney culture wars that keep Johnson relevant.
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I don’t speak on behalf of people I do not know. Unlike you I don’t claim to know their best interests. I give equal weight to their opinion as I do yours. You on the other hand do not value the opinions of others and seem to see conspiracy everywhere.You have accused me of having some secret intent. It’s just laughable.
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You've missed my point. I wasn't suggesting that you have a secret agenda, merely that you did what a lot of people do when they haven't got a strong response: pick a line from their opponent's argument that they can tackle and address that, pretending that it's the key point, or needs addressing before the actual issue can be discussed. No conspiracy. Its a very common rhetorical device, often done subconsciously.
I'd reel back in the ad hominem too. It's unnecessary and demeaning. It weakens your stance.
Have you got gullible and likeable in the correct placings in that last sentence Lever?
A thought crossed your mind Mouldy!
Another lonely journey?
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Neville's Breakfast
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I have discussed the issue elsewhere on the thread. I have made it clear I am reserving judgement and have commented on the enthusiasm of erstwhile Cummings haters to believe him this time. That’s it. I have responded to you about your lack of respect for the ability of others to make their own reasoned judgements. Happy to leave it there as it is a mindset and unlikely to change.
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I’ve read somewhere that Boris might suffer from Asperger Syndrome or at least be on the spectrum, or indeed Savants Syndrome!
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Stato
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It was an economic point, not a sociological one. Whilst I accept the modern critique of traditional socialism as being lacking in the nuance needed to deal with the multivarious needs of the individual, you have to accept that post Thatcherite management of a capitalist economy is equally as inadequate to this need, but as the accepted paradigm, is not subject to the same criticisms. Of course no politician can address the needs of every individual. That really goes without saying. We can make generalisations about communities though, and historical and economic indications are that the policy of repeated Conservative governments is to underfund public services, prioritise cutting taxes for the better off and were partly responsible for dismantling the industries that were at the heart of many of the working class communities of the UK.
Yes, we should be questioning why the disaster plan wasn't in place. Corporate responsibility doesn't stop at the civil servants though. Governance is not just a title, its a job. It seems like its a job that somebody hasn't been doing properly. The same organisation has been in governance positions for over a decade and yet I suspect that this organisation, the Conservative Party, will wheedle its way into blaming others and get itself re-elected... again.
Bit of a shame. I have enjoyed both your and [MENTION=22849]Stato[/MENTION]'s analyses.
For what it's worth I would argue that everyone always knows what's in their best interest, and yet it may turn out not to be in their best interest.
Here is a tale of the irony of trust in one's judgement of best interest. How could anyone living in a nice council semi (there were plenty in Portslade where I grew up) not see it as in their best interest to vote for Maggie so they could buy their council house at a knock down price (except this wasn't in the manifesto, but that's for another time)? And yet 40 years later, the same person may have voted for Boris in order to leave the EU, then been killed, in their care home, by someone sent back from hospital infected with Covid. Would they have been better off supporting the reds forever, or is it better to argue they lived a long and prosperous life, thanks to the tories, and we all have to die at some point. I suspect a majority of the electorate would take the latter view.
Anyway. None of this matters. Eventually Boris will be flushed away, like Trump has been. I'd give it another 8 years, though, (unless he gets bored and decides to walk). The die of self interest has been cast, and labour still look, to a majority, like they would **** up the vaccines and tank the economy given half a chance. And I say that as a party member.
Everything could change before the next GE, of course. I have no idea if it will.
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Good that you have respect for the ability of others to make their own reasoned judgements.
Ironic that you follow this by suggesting that I don't have the ability to make a reasoned judgement, just 'a mindset' that I'm unlikely to change.
Your posts have labelled me as a conspiracy theorist, accused me of having a fixed mindset and compared me with Donald Trump and I have tackled nothing but your argument. If you're 'happy to leave it there', then I'm probably the one to benefit. As the old gag goes, I don't come here to be insulted. I've got plenty of places I can go for that.