[Misc] Does anyone know someone who has a face mask exemption ?

[maresfield seagull]

I have asthma related allergies that cause issues with breathing if wearing a mask for long periods of time. I can manage about 5-10 minutes in my local corner shop but beyond that, don't bother going anywhere that would require me wearing one longer.

Don't see the point in a visor/shield as they do not provide adequate protection from COVID-19 when used by themselves as an alternative to cloth face masks.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...coronavirus-transmission-study-finds-12062704

In this instance The whole point of these cloth masks is to limit your personal potential to disperse the virus
Not actually protect you despite what many still believe
The FFP 3 masks are valved and they will offer you some level of protection from the virus
But not anyone around you Due to the droplet dispersal issue If you have COVID

Might I ask what triggers your asthma ? As I too suffer at times But fortunately have no trouble wearing masks

 

[Questions]

Why is anxiety, which can be life affecting and debilitating, less valid than depression or psychosis ?
My friend wants to wear a mask and frequently does but sometimes the anxiety gets the better of her.

I agree with all of that bar condescending remarks about lack of the awareness of mental illness.. I’m not playing with figures here but I would hazard a guess that the majority of people who suffer from anxiety and stress can put a mask on. For those who cannot then I’d advocate they shield through this. I’m sorry for your friends condition though. I have pretty bad COPD but would rather shield than go out without wearing a mask.
Not because of my health particularly but for others around me.

 

[dsr-burnley]

She can. It's private property. She can ask anyone to leave at any time and is not obliged to give a reason. In this case they have stated they are not exempt and are refusing to wear a mask. They are breaking the law but that is irrelevant. I get why she didn't but she absolutely can insist they leave.

Only speculating, but wouldn't she risk falling foul of various disability discrimination acts by asking a possibly disabled person to leave?

 

[drew]

But a lot harder for the doctors. If someone rings their doctor and says they have an anxiety issue or any other relevant condition, and can they have an exemption certificate, what's the doctor to do? Three options - grant it on the nod, which saves his time but makes the law worthless; turn it down flat, which risks denying the people who are entitled; or investigates and makes a considered decision, which takes time.

Doctors perhaps have enough to do.

The easiest solution is to make it mandatory to wear a face mask unless you have a medical condition to exempt you and if that is the case, you wear a visor.

If you can't wear either then you need to make arrangements for someone else to do your shopping!! I'm sure every community would have enough people to volunteer, just needs a little organisation.

 

[The Clamp]

Only speculating, but wouldn't she risk falling foul of various disability discrimination acts by asking a possibly disabled person to leave?

They already told her they are simply refusing to wear a mask. She has every right to refuse service and ask them to leave

 

[cloud]

A disabled person would have some paperwork though. My son has a disability and I could produce letters for appointments, diagnoses etc going back years

 

[GT49er]

Why is anxiety, which can be life affecting and debilitating, less valid than depression or psychosis ?
My friend wants to wear a mask and frequently does but sometimes the anxiety gets the better of her.

So why is anxiety, which can be life affecting and debilitating not a sufficient reason to get a seat belt wearing exemption? - Yes, there are such things, and GPs can issue them, but they are as rare as hen's teeth; it's basically a case of get used to wearing a seat belt or don't travel by car.
Frankly, I'd rather idiots were allowed too drive round risking their own lives without seat belts than wander round without masks risking everybody else's lives.

 

[drew]

She can. It's private property. She can ask anyone to leave at any time and is not obliged to give a reason. In this case they have stated they are not exempt and are refusing to wear a mask. They are breaking the law but that is irrelevant. I get why she didn't but she absolutely can insist they leave.

Not quite sure that's the case. Remember the cake shop in Northern Ireland that refused to serve the gay couple. You can't exclude people without giving a reason as that could lead to excluding people on the grounds of gender/race etc. In this particular case, I agree she could have excluded them as they weren't wearing a mask without a valid exemption.

 

[The Clamp]

Not quite sure that's the case. Remember the cake shop in Northern Ireland that refused to serve the gay couple. You can't exclude people without giving a reason as that could lead to excluding people on the grounds of gender/race etc. In this particular case, I agree she could have excluded them as they weren't wearing a mask without a valid exemption.

If the police or a court asks you to do provide a reason, you would need to give one. To the actual people, no, they aren’t entitled to a reason.
You can simply say “I’d like you to leave and if you don’t the police will be called”. You can explain to the police. The mask dodging customers aren’t entitled to be on private property and aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why not. It’s not discriminatory as they have already stated there is no sound reason they aren’t wearing a mask.

 

[Garage_Doors]

How about it's because someone's medical exemption reason isnt really anyone elses business, I think that's enough personally.
I think you may be confused what GDPR is

It does become their business if by not wearing a mask they are putting other people lives at risk.
Its a life & death reason to know.
If they can't wear a mask for medical or mental health reasons why should this be seen as having the right to put others at risk?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Why do you need to know?

He reminds me of Columbo.

 

[jessiejames]

I have, due to my medication, and it covers all face coverings, but I'm still wearing a mask because that's the right thing to do.

Exactly the same with me. Although I sometimes take a visor and wear that when shopping, due to the fact that when I'm wearing glasses they steam up. Tried various things to stop them steaming up but nothing works.I have the doctors NHS exemption letter and also the lanyard but never use these.

 

[jessiejames]

Not quite sure that's the case. Remember the cake shop in Northern Ireland that refused to serve the gay couple. You can't exclude people without giving a reason as that could lead to excluding people on the grounds of gender/race etc. In this particular case, I agree she could have excluded them as they weren't wearing a mask without a valid exemption.

Under the disabilities act you are correct.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

I tend to just stereotype, if someone looks like a c***, 99% of the time they will be one [emoji106]

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[Weststander]

The easiest solution is to make it mandatory to wear a face mask unless you have a medical condition to exempt you and if that is the case, you wear a visor.

If you can't wear either then you need to make arrangements for someone else to do your shopping!! I'm sure every community would have enough people to volunteer, just needs a little organisation.

This.

By law, not a rule.

 

[The Clamp]

Under the disabilities act you are correct.

He’s correct if they claimed to be disabled. They didn’t, they said they didn’t believe in Covid. I suppose they could claim they have learning difficulties.
And you don’t have to give a reason to ask someone to leave private property unless ordered to by a court.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

It is an airborne virus but is also contagious. People forget that the virus is active on metal for up to three days and plastic for five days. When their shopping is delivered it needs to be wiped down with anti bacterial wipes, especially tins. Washing hands many times during the day, after handling the post for example.





Claustrophobia is an anxiety issue.
Somebody posted yesterday, they knew a rape victim who cannot abide anything put over her face.

If it’s airborne, explain how Grealish got it?


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[The Wizard]

Visors don’t work, and the science of masks isn’t exactly solid either.

I think masks in general probably would work, but the cotton rags many of us reuse on the daily? I’m not convinced, I still wear them of course as a possibility they may work is better than nothing.

 

[Gabbafella]

She can. It's private property. She can ask anyone to leave at any time and is not obliged to give a reason. In this case they have stated they are not exempt and are refusing to wear a mask. They are breaking the law but that is irrelevant. I get why she didn't but she absolutely can insist they leave.

Her managers have told all staff not to even question anyone not wearing a mask, something which I find absolutely ridiculous. I've said she has the right to refuse anyone, especially if she feels at risk, but apparently company policy says otherwise. But we've also decided that there are so many headcases out there these days so it's probably best she just gives them a wide berth.
We have a shop where I work and we flat out refuse to serve anyone not wearing a mask.

 

[The Clamp]

Her managers have told all staff not to even question anyone not wearing a mask, something which I find absolutely ridiculous. I've said she has the right to refuse anyone, especially if she feels at risk, but apparently company policy says otherwise. But we've also decided that there are so many headcases out there these days so it's probably best she just gives them a wide berth.
We have a shop where I work and we flat out refuse to serve anyone not wearing a mask.

Ah! I thought it was her shop. Fairs. Yeah, it’s retailers protecting profit and avoiding bad press. Poor show. Staff should come first. This is exactly why I’m happy to see loads of retail chains go down the crapper. Short term pain for staff being made jobless but long term gain for the health of the nation.
The retail industry has got away with far too much for far too long. Child Labour, sweatshops, treating staff like crap, relentless drive for profit.
They are are getting what they deserve and I for one am happy to see chains going out of business. I do not mourn their disappearance from the high street.