Do you want Scotland to be a part of The United Kingdom?

[crasher]

Are you jacques delors?

I don't think you have to be Delors to think that? If I was given the option of being an EU citizen OR a British citizen, I'd probably choose the EU. Why not? The problem with the Brexit decision is that while it's a democratic result, we could be even MORE democratic. We could let each individual choose which political entity they want to belong to - which set of taxes and laws they choose to live with. Whether that's the EU, the UK, England, Scotland...

The idea of a 'nation' doesn't seem to work in the same way for everyone any more. If it ever did.

 

[heathgate]

Do they get to keep Trident?

No

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[heathgate]

I don't think you have to be Delors to think that? If I was given the option of being an EU citizen OR a British citizen, I'd probably choose the EU. Why not? The problem with the Brexit decision is that while it's a democratic result, we could be even MORE democratic. We could let each individual choose which political entity they want to belong to - which set of taxes and laws they choose to live with. Whether that's the EU, the UK, England, Scotland...

The idea of a 'nation' doesn't seem to work in the same way for everyone any more. If it ever did.

Only if you are a socialist/communist..... otherwise a nation is exactly what plenty of people want.

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[crasher]

Only if you are a socialist/communist..... otherwise a nation is exactly what plenty of people want.

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Don't socialists or communists get a vote then?

 

[brighton fella]

If by leaving the UK puts an end to their constant dribbling then yes i wish they would hurry up and go.. and fast.!!!!
The Krankies lookalike is turning the SNP in to a laughing stock, proper SNP want nothing to do with the EU, it goes completely against the grain of what the party stands for.
Truth be known, what is being presented on the table has nothing to do with Scottish independence and more to do with their hatred towards the English, if independence was a key issue of theirs then why are they wishing to join ranks with a failing EU ?
The SNP stand guilty of generating hate towards the English. had this of been the work of UKIP the anti racist activists would have been out in force by now. .

 

[Blue3]

Brexit I fear could result in the complete breakup of the U.K.

 

[wellquickwoody]

That old chestnut. Yes I chose to live here because I was born and bred here, doesn't mean I have to think everything is lovely and smells of roses.

No, but you do have to live in a democracy which may well involve a Tory government.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Best of three (referendums)? Or toss a coin

 

[Braggfan]

No, but you do have to live in a democracy which may well involve a Tory government.

It's a bit rich to be talking about democracy when everyone seems to be so keen on denying them chance to vote on it. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Stat Brother]

It's a bit rich to be talking about democracy when everyone seems to be so keen on denying them chance to vote on it. You can't have it both ways.

But they did vote, and they voted to stay.

 

[coagulantwolf]

Even if they vote yes to stay part of the UK again, in 1/5/10/20 years time there would be another vote. I fear it's something that will be 'ongoing' until they finally vote 'OUT'.

 

[Braggfan]

But they did vote, and they voted to stay.

Democracy is not a one time thing where everything is set in stone, situations change. If there is voice calling for a vote and enough support for it, then there is nothing undemocratic about having a second vote, quite the opposite in fact.

 

[heathgate]

Don't socialists or communists get a vote then?

Of course..... I only responded to the bland generalisation that nationhood is old hat.

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[heathgate]

It's a bit rich to be talking about democracy when everyone seems to be so keen on denying them chance to vote on it. You can't have it both ways.

Already voted...... breaking their own promise that it was a once in a lifetime or even once in a generation event.... economics won't support it..... EU won't allow them in straight away..... it's a non starts whichever way you look at it.

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[Hamilton]

I tend to agree that it feels a matter of when rather than if.

How Sturgeon thinks Scots can take a measured decision before they know what the Brexit deal looks like, I don't know. Then again, May is proving to be so useless at managing Brexit that she'll continue to drive a wedge between the Leave and Remain voters which will only add to animosity in the north of the UK.

Personally, I think that if there was a voted today, they'd vote to remain. The SNP will do all they can now to ramp up anti-Westminster and probably anti-English rhetoric.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Part of the problem is that Sturgeon and May both epitomise qualities in both England and Scotland that the other despises: May = perceived English arrogance and disregard for the other nations in the Union, Sturgeon = Scottish sniping, whingeing and general ungratefulness for getting a pretty good deal for a country their size.

Theresa May comes across as more patronising than Cameron and so I expect that to play into Sturgeon's hands in Scotland.

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

Just because Gibraltar voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU (over 90%) does not necessarily mean they want to stop being British. Just because 70% of Scots voted to stay in the EU does not give Sturgeon a mandate that the Scots want to leave the UK. They had a once in a life time referendum. Maybe in 5 years after Brexit they could vote again but every Scot should get to vote. Many of my family were born and raised in Scotland and yet are refused a vote whilst EU workers who live in Scotland get a vote. That is ridiculous gerrymandering on Sturgeon's part. My family on my mother's side descends from Mary Queen of Scots yet she was denied a vote. Disgraceful. My mum is more Scottish than Stugeon and Salmon put together.

 

[crasher]

Of course..... I only responded to the bland generalisation that nationhood is old hat.

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It wasn't intended to be a generalisation. All I mean is that it's no longer a concept that works for everyone.

 

[Jim in the West]

I tend to agree that it feels a matter of when rather than if.

How Sturgeon thinks Scots can take a measured decision before they know what the Brexit deal looks like, I don't know.

Well, 17m people voted for Brexit with no clue what the deal would be....

 

[wellquickwoody]

But they did vote, and they voted to stay.

And if they want ANOTHER go they can a wait a few months longer whilst we sort out the bigger issues right now.