Do you think the JOCKS will vote YES ?

[Mr Bridger]

The ballot paper finally revealed....

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[seagullsovergrimsby]

If its a Yes, Scotland doesn't become independent instantly - its a date in 2016. Even if they don't get in to the EU by then they should have arranged some form of EEA membership to cover that and a huge number of other issues.

A point conveniently swept under the carpet by those politicians who don't want the public to know all the facts about the alternatives.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not seeing your point.

you dont see that there was a call for a referendum, and a thrid vote in favour, as a push for independence before the 1980s? whatever. if we look at MPs, we'll see that Conservative support declines from the late 50s. what we also see is that the Scots favour Labour MPs (or even Liberals) despite their preference for SNP MSPs.

 

[warmleyseagull]

Well that's a surprise!(you living in Glasgow) All my family and Scottish friends often express their anger at the 80's Tory experiment and the fact the Labour party ceased to be Socialist therefore failed to reverse Thatcherism. Can't believe you have not heard that. So little choice but to break away if they are to build a nation relevant to Scottish tradition. They have had enough of the right wing politic that has dominated this nation since 1979.

You mean the policies that extracted us from being the basket case of the developed world, at the whim of the IMF, controlled by Trades Union wonks. You are right that it is Labour supporters driving the independence charge but they are ultimately misguided. Theirs are the polices of yesterday, and certainly not those of the smaller countries that Salmond loves to quote. SNP is a middle class party that will not be able to meet the aspirations of disenchanted Labour supporters.

 

[yxee]

Fed up with the whole thing. I think they'll vote no, and quite rightly. I want them to vote Yes now though. Osborne and co must be stark raving mental if they're promising more powers for a No vote. It takes the piss out of the rest of the UK. Let the Scots go and good ridance.

I am just hoping that "more powers" translates to "fewer subsidies". If they want control over the funding of their own public services, which are far higher per head than the UK average, then it can come out of their own taxes for a change.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I am just hoping that "more powers" translates to "fewer subsidies". If they want control over the funding of their own public services, which are far higher per head than the UK average, then it can come out of their own taxes for a change.

I wouldn't get your hopes too high. You can bet your life that there will be an outcry if Scots vote to stay with the promise of further powers. The yes campaign are appearing to panic a little. Whatever they give will be at our (English) expense. I think the whole thing stinks and is undemocratic. I wish we were given a vote about our independence.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I wouldn't get your hopes too high. You can bet your life that there will be an outcry if Scots vote to stay with the promise of further powers. The yes campaign are appearing to panic a little. Whatever they give will be at our (English) expense. I think the whole thing stinks and is undemocratic. I wish we were given a vote about our independence.

I think it's the no campaign that's panicking.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I think it's the no campaign that's panicking.

Sorry, muddled my yes and no!

 

[yxee]

I wouldn't get your hopes too high. You can bet your life that there will be an outcry if Scots vote to stay with the promise of further powers. The yes campaign are appearing to panic a little. Whatever they give will be at our (English) expense. I think the whole thing stinks and is undemocratic. I wish we were given a vote about our independence.

We will never be given a choice because we'd vote yes. That seems to be the government's MO

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Cameron and Milliband would both have to resign in the event of a yes vote.

shambles.

 

[beorhthelm]

I wouldn't get your hopes too high. You can bet your life that there will be an outcry if Scots vote to stay with the promise of further powers. The yes campaign are appearing to panic a little.

thats whats on offer - and has been for months as Salmond mentioned himself today. interestingly the Conservative are offering the most, with full control of income tax, VAT on the table, vs Labour offering variation of 15p. which should remind us Holyrood can already vary income tax by 3p and dont do so.

whats dawned on me today is this targeting of NHS by SNP is quite crafty, as they take an area that Conservatives are weak on and Labour wont want to defend as they intend to use it against the Tories in the next election. clever. on the otherhand, listening to the Deputy First Minister saying in the same answer that they want to be able to determine their own way not what Westminster allows, but blaming any currency issues on Westminster not willing to discuss currency union. flat out contradictions, that im surprised the Scottish people dont see through.

 

[Surf's Up]

Ultimately this will decided by a final wave of Braveheart style emotion as the "undecideds" vote with their hearts for independence. The "No" campaign, headed up by Mr Charisma Alistair Darling (for f**ks sake!) and aided and abetted by a bullying, arrogant and hectoring Westminster lobby who in the last knockings have resorted to outright bribery to try and get their way, has been a shambles from start to finish. Cameron and Milliband should resign if, as I expect it to, the vote goes against them but will they f**k.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Puzzled how they can put out such a undemocractic election...A Scotsman in England cannot vote,yet a Pole or Latvian,German and French who are abiding in Scotland can.
I see a distaster looming,the one good thing if they do leave is Labour will not form a government again,with the loss of all their Scottish MPs.

 

[The Birdman]

Why are we giving the fence to France from NATO conference we should have it ready to put up if the Scots vote yes.,!

 

[Downlander]

If Scotland votes YES will you co-operate with the dismantling of Britain?

Salmond says he will have a MANDATE - but is that a given? - OFF COURSE NOT! - Maybe just a few thousand votes to decide the outcome of a population of 63,000,000 odd?

Do you really expect the rest of Britain to meekly hand over everything Salmond demands? After 300 years? After so much history? To have no voice? You must be joking!

Salmond would have a mandate to start negotiations with the rest of the UK and I will expect my representatives to concede NOTHING that is of disadvantage to my country. Nothing! - Starting with the timetable.

That will be my MANDATE.

At last,the English, who are just about the only people in Europe who are never allowed a vote on constitutional matters, will have a say - via the general election.

I would expect every candidate and every party in the rest of the UK to explain how they would protect my interests in the face of Scottish potential asset grab? - to concede nothing! so that independence was so diluted that the only thing left was bad feeling - and then vote accordingly.

What would Salmond do about it? Dig up Wallace - meet us at Steyning - and start a fight?

 

[Hamilton]

On September 18, with a pencil in their hands, the Scots will vote with their heads and not their hearts. The head will tell them that to fracture the Union is madness.

 

[nicko31]

I'm still pretty certain of a NO vote and now Cameron has lost his nerve they have most of what they want with DEVO MAX. Voting YES would be foolish, carry huge risks and they'd lose their right to representation at Westminster (yes this is crazy)

Devolution was always a slippery slope, another masterstroke from Labour

 

[Don Quixote]

Cameron and Milliband would both have to resign in the event of a yes vote.

shambles.

Yes the Prime Minister should, certainly, but why the leader of the opposition? He's not in government.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Devolution was always a slippery slope, another masterstroke from Labour

Don't confuse devolution of central powers with independence. There are many economists (including from the right) that believe we should have further devolution of power to individual cities and regions.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/35c7a600-d51f-11e3-9187-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3CodPkZna

 

[Greyrun]

[QUOTEoííít=Don Quixote;6560125]Yes the Prime Minister should, certainly, but why the leader of the opposition? He's not in government.[/QUOTE]

Because Labour have a large following in Scotland the onus was on them to be at the forefront of the no vote at which they have failed miserably.