Do you support the Posties striking?

[NMH]

I support them, but don't know ALL the facts.

The posties want to keep their early hours, yet the new decision tabled is to have them start LATER - thus they will be getting involved more in the regular rush-hour congestion, and our post will arrive later.
Imagine you are waiting for an important cheque or paperwork, but it arrives too late for that day's business?
It thereby negates the whole concept of 'next day delivery' altogether!

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Not quite Nibble.

£1m bonus awaits post office boss in charge of closures


Mark Milner, industrial editor
Monday August 6, 2007
The Guardian


Royal Mail was yesterday embroiled in a new row over bonus payments to a senior executive amid continuing industrial action by postal workers over pay and working practices.

Post office managing director Alan Cook was yesterday reported to be in line for a bonus of up to £1m if he brings the planned closure of 2,500 post offices in on schedule and restores the network to profit.

Mr Cook would be entitled to receive a bonus of up to 80% of his £250,000 salary every year until 2011, if he reached the internal targets set for the business, according to the Sunday Times.

The annual bonus would be increased if longer term targets are met. Royal Mail denied that Mr Cook was in effect being paid a bonus to close post offices. "Alan Cook's bonus in not linked to post office closures," a spokesman said.
Two months ago Royal Mail chief executive Adam Crozier was reported to be being paid a £370,000 bonus covering the last financial year. Yesterday the spokesman declined to comment on details of bonus payments to senior executives.

They will be disclosed in the annual report, which has not yet been published. The scale of top executive bonuses is also likely to come under political scrutiny, with the House of Commons trade and industry select committee expected to raise the issue when it reviews the government-backed closure programme later this year.

Royal Mail's 14,000 plus network of post offices is losing about £4m a week as the government has made traditional products such as the issue of passports and vehicle excise licences available from other sources. There are also concerns about the post office card account, through which benefits are paid, and where the post office may face competition when that contract comes up for tender.

In response Royal Mail has sought to boost revenues by offering financial services and telecommunications products.

At the end of last year the government announced that in response to the network's financial problems it would provide £1.7bn for the closure of up to 2,500 branches in both urban and rural areas. It laid down strict criteria for which branches could be closed.

The bonus row comes at an awkward time for Royal Mail. The company is locked in a dispute with postal workers represented by the Communications Workers Union over a 2.5% pay offer, plus bonuses and local productivity deals. The CWU is engaged in a rolling programme of industrial action, calling out different sections of the workforce on one day strikes.

The union wants a pay rise closer to inflation and is worried that plans to modernise the business will lead to the loss of 40,000 jobs. Royal Mail insists it cannot afford a higher offer and that it must modernise if it is to compete in Britain's fully liberalised mail market.

 

[goldstone]

If they don't like the job, the salary, the conditions or whatever, then f... off and find another job.

Anyone going on strike should be immediately fired.

 

[Nibble]

If they don't like the job, the salary, the conditions or whatever, then f... off and find another job.

Anyone going on strike should be immediately fired.

Yeah cos thats so easy isn't it? when you may have spent 20 years doing one job. No, you could not be more wrong. Stay and fight for better conditions.
You don't even believe what you just wrote, just writing to be controversial.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

Yes, I think it is in decline as an entity. As Empire pointed out, the really profitable bits are being farmed out leaving the RM with the unsexy job of delivering mail to all communities and a not small problem of trying to fund the pension scheme of existing and retired posties. Who'd want to take either of those jobs over?

Expect outsourcing to some tosspot organisation like Capita who pay minimum wage to east europeans to deliver mail twice or three times weekly in urban and suburban areas and once or twice a week to rural communities. The workers being offered the bare minimum of job security with a very much reduced defined contribution pension scheme rather than the current final salary.

The Government has made it quite clear that they don't support the posties and that they are giving RM just enough rope to hang themselves.

All very similar to what happened with the railways.

Best post that I have read today.

 

[The Large One]

If they don't like the job, the salary, the conditions or whatever, then f... off and find another job.

Anyone going on strike should be immediately fired.

:thud:

Two sides of Conservatism in one thread. One on hand, Buzzer's up-to-date, rational, well-considered arguments in favour of public services in relation to staff welfare, pay and conditions. And on the other, the outdated, morally-corrupt Thatcherite... Words fail me.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

:thud:

Two sides of Conservatism in one thread. One on hand, Buzzer's up-to-date, rational, well-considered arguments in favour of public services in relation to staff welfare, pay and conditions. And on the other, the outdated, morally-corrupt Thatcherite... Words fail me.

Buzzer, however, is actually a SOCIALIST, albeit in denial. He won't agree, but he is, and all the better for it.

 

[Buzzer]

Buzzer, however, is actually a SOCIALIST, albeit in denial. He won't agree, but he is, and all the better for it.

Christ on a bike. I need therapy in that case.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

The basic problem, as I understand it, is that the Post Office is running at a loss. They are having to compete in an increasingly competitive market place, and no longer have the luxury of controlling the market.

As a result, they need to make cutbacks to protect the business and remain competitive, of course, that means Joe Postman will lose out big time, but a more competitive market gives the rest of us more choice, and should keep prices down. You can't have it both ways.

Royal Mail Group is not running at a loss. The reason why RM Group are having to make cutbacks is the pension problem and competition, competition that is unfair and loaded against RM. If the competition was fair and transparent RM would not be having so many problems.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Is it though? More mail is delivered than ever before isn't it?

BTW, I also support the mail workers.

Yes that is true but Royal Mail is now delivering the work of the competitors too, they do the easy part and make a nice easy proft at our expense, RM has to deliver it all. Not very fair is it? If it goes on it will destroy Royal Mail as we know it.

 

[Woodchip]

Holding a country to ransom? Nope, I could never back a union that acts like that. Posties I support, unions I do not!! Unions are getting too powerful again and need a good kick in the teeth.

 

[The Large One]

Buzzer, however, is actually a SOCIALIST, albeit in denial. He won't agree, but he is, and all the better for it.

Well quite. I did wonder if someone had broken into his NSC account and written what he did earlier on in this thread.

Not very Conservative, was it?

 

[CHAPPERS]

When will my dvd's arrive? They were despatched last Wednesday.

This is the main issue here.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Yes, I think it is in decline as an entity. As Empire pointed out, the really profitable bits are being farmed out leaving the RM with the unsexy job of delivering mail to all communities and a not small problem of trying to fund the pension scheme of existing and retired posties. Who'd want to take either of those jobs over?

Expect outsourcing to some tosspot organisation like Capita who pay minimum wage to east europeans to deliver mail twice or three times weekly in urban and suburban areas and once or twice a week to rural communities. The workers being offered the bare minimum of job security with a very much reduced defined contribution pension scheme rather than the current final salary.

The Government has made it quite clear that they don't support the posties and that they are giving RM just enough rope to hang themselves.

All very similar to what happened with the railways.

This all could happen too.
But the Government in their 2005 election manifesto said they would look again of the effects of the competition on RM, guess what, they still haven't done so!

 

[Woodchip]

Bring in the Tories, I could be worse.

 

[The Large One]

Holding a country to ransom? Nope, I could never back a union that acts like that. Posties I support, unions I do not!! Unions are getting too powerful again and need a good kick in the teeth.

The posties are the union and the Union is the posties. The postmen voted for the strike. They didn't WANT to strike, but felt they been dealt such a shit hand over the years, that something needed to be done. The (the posties) care about the service, as should you. But you're supporting the side who want to destroy it.

Royal Mail's beheviour is not acceptable to people who have worked for years in the business and know how to run a mail service. The management are setting the company up for a fall, worsening the service, while the top bosses clean up with their salary bonuses, all the while screwing over the people who have worked for years endeavouring to bring a proper service while having one hand tied behind their backs with lesser working conditions, and you want to kick the Union's teeth in? Sweet Jesus.

 

[Nibble]

When will my dvd's arrive? They were despatched last Wednesday.

This is the main issue here.

Normal post resumes on wednesday but could take up to a week to clear backlog!

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Holding a country to ransom? Nope, I could never back a union that acts like that. Posties I support, unions I do not!! Unions are getting too powerful again and need a good kick in the teeth.

Holding a country to ransom because of a postal strike, do me a favour and get real.
Where is your proof that unions are getting more powerful, this Labour Government hasn't repealed one of the anti-trade union laws that the Conservatives brought in. So how the hell have they become more powerful if the legislation is the same?

 

[London Calling]

Yes, I think it is in decline as an entity. As Empire pointed out, the really profitable bits are being farmed out leaving the RM with the unsexy job of delivering mail to all communities and a not small problem of trying to fund the pension scheme of existing and retired posties. Who'd want to take either of those jobs over?

Expect outsourcing to some tosspot organisation like Capita who pay minimum wage to east europeans to deliver mail twice or three times weekly in urban and suburban areas and once or twice a week to rural communities. The workers being offered the bare minimum of job security with a very much reduced defined contribution pension scheme rather than the current final salary.

The Government has made it quite clear that they don't support the posties and that they are giving RM just enough rope to hang themselves.

All very similar to what happened with the railways.

Agree with you here.

The Post Office is a classic example of part privisation, the revenue bits have been tendered out leaving joe public to fund the rump.

The queues in our remaining local Post Office are reminiscent of Wembley on match day.

We already get deliveries after 10.00. At least once a week now we have to pop down to the sorting office to pick something up.

Can some one explain to me, why domestic post is delivered so late in the day, when half the population work 9-5, so we are not in for parcels etc.

And businesses received their post early in the day, when the majority are open 8-6 and longer?

What type of crap planning is that?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Normal post resumes on wednesday but could take up to a week to clear backlog!

FUCKERS!