Do you believe in Jesus Christ ?

[Tricky Dicky]

However, to trash talk the beliefs of anyone is completely disrespectful.

Rubbish, this sounds like the revent American trend for "I believe something, so my beliefs must be respected". Crap, if an idea is garbage, it's garbage whether someone believes it or not. That sort of thinking has allowed those creationist nutters to abound.

Every study has shown that the more educated a society (as a whole, not individuals), the less the belief in religion. It would be rather simplistic, but quite easy to infer from this that the more people understand how the science and nature actually works and came about, that there is less need to belief in fairy stories.

 

[piersa]

He no doubt existed. Was probably the equivalent of a modern day terrorist.

In fact, he is still delivering terror today.

How much happier would this world be if religion did not exist.

How much of the national debt could be repaid if every church was sold to a developer.

How many kids would not have been abused by clergy

How much money would hard pressed couples save by not marrying at a church

How many of us would be more intelligent by not wasting our school time learning about this crackpot

How many of us would have not wasted a Saturday evening by spending it in some church hall, 50 miles from home for some relative we hardly know

I'm sure many more can be added!

I think i love you. I have yet to meet anyone who is very religous who has an ounce of common sense applied to their lives.

 

[00snook]

Rubbish, this sounds like the revent American trend for "I believe something, so my beliefs must be respected". Crap, if an idea is garbage, it's garbage whether someone believes it or not. That sort of thinking has allowed those creationist nutters to abound.

Every study has shown that the more educated a society (as a whole, not individuals), the less the belief in religion. It would be rather simplistic, but quite easy to infer from this that the more people understand how the science and nature actually works and came about, that there is less need to belief in fairy stories.

This

 

[piersa]

Bollocks.
You're in a minority here. Go join the chemtrails debate.

on the contrary, you appear to be in a huge minority. Perhaps you should return to you jesus, Father Christmas and Tooth Fairy world?

 

[FOOTSKI]

I believe that Jesus existed but it's the story that does'nt do it for me. I think it was all about trying to make (what may have been) a lawless population more lawful by suggesting that you would be judged for your actions by a higher force (God fearing). The story would have to be outstanding to get people to believe it and boy was it. I'm happy for anybody to believe what ever they want but it's not for me. That being said sometimes i embrace God by way of hedging my bets (weddings ect) maybe if i'm wrong the big guy will cut me some slack.

 

[daveinprague]

The church of most religions historically seem to be up the arses of the state, so as a means of control its worked, but really, what good has it actually done that wouldnt have been accomplished by some other means.

 

[One Love]

on the contrary, you appear to be in a huge minority. Perhaps you should return to you jesus, Father Christmas and Tooth Fairy world?

Who knows?

I suppose the side that shouts loudest will probably be assumed to be in the majority.

 

[8ace]

Who knows?

I suppose the side that shouts loudest will probably be assumed to be in the majority.

 

[PC-Gull]

Rubbish, this sounds like the revent American trend for "I believe something, so my beliefs must be respected". Crap, if an idea is garbage, it's garbage whether someone believes it or not. That sort of thinking has allowed those creationist nutters to abound.

Every study has shown that the more educated a society (as a whole, not individuals), the less the belief in religion. It would be rather simplistic, but quite easy to infer from this that the more people understand how the science and nature actually works and came about, that there is less need to belief in fairy stories.

A couple of things...First, and most important, please do not refer to me as an American or having an American way of thinking. Second, would you not agree that respecting someone would just be a sign of good manners and common decency? I don't agree with what you believe, but that hasn't caused me to insult you in any way. No one has to believe what others believe, but that does not make any persons beliefs worth less than the beliefs of any one else. I agree Creationists are missing the bigger picture, but that doesn't mean I have a right to demean them.

I do not know what studies you are referring to, but if that were true, then why do the majority of people around the world still believe in some form of religion? 'It would be rather simplistic, but quite easy to infer' that there is no such thing as an educated society?

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't blame religion for the acts of individuals within their order but what I do hold the religious heirachy to account for is the way they covered up the abuse at the expense of the welfare of the victims

This.

Thought it was interesting in that book blood and something or other, cant remember right now, im too stoned, about the bloke Barrabbus

Before mid-day? Sheesh, have the morning off.

10 main laws of living!!!!

The first 4 are about God himself. Not worshiping a different god, not having false idols etc.

Oh the irony.

Firstly why the hell would an all powerful omnipotent being care if you worshipped somebody other than him.

Indeed. If there was an all powerful god, would he really be so petty as to not let you into heaven because, for no fault of your own, you didn't believe in him? It's pathetic.

Honestly it's such bollocks it's unbelievable.

Indeed. I feel a new poll coming...
So why is it that people believe?
a) they want to hedge their bets, just in case
b) it's a good social circle and they have good friends in the church
c) it makes them feel they are better people, because it is good people that believe
d) they're easily led
e) because there actually is a god, and the rest of us are blind

 

[beardy gull]

on the contrary, you appear to be in a huge minority. Perhaps you should return to you jesus, Father Christmas and Tooth Fairy world?

Yawn. Another confused soul. As I said before, I am an atheist. I believe Jesus was an itinerant preacher much commonplace at the time. I don't believe he walked on water, turned water into wine, or rose from the dead.

 

[Drumstick]

I'm am sat on the proverbial giant fence I just don't know either way and I like to deal in facts yet something stops me thinking its all crap.

I see religion (All of them) as a general set of guidance in how to live your life well, And they all seem pretty nice people (The religious figues heads) so tbh so long as I live my life well, try to be honest and kind/ not murder anyone etc I don't think they are going to turn me away.

And although some people say the world would be a better place without them firstly I think thats stupid, It us humans who appear to live for war/violence etc and it's fanatics not the religions. And if you also believe that then you have to conceed that religious groups do alot of good in the world, Just go to India/Africa and at every turn you will find aid provided by religous groups, Schools built and paid for by religious money.

Religious people are amoungst the most charitable too.

Oh and 26 pages and 1 flounce.

 

[piersa]

Exactly this.

JC is made up. As is religion.

ALL RELIGION.

It always amazes me that some of the most intelligent and lucid people I know can still believe in this fairy tale.

We don't pay attention to scientific books from 2000 years ago any more, as they have been proven to be innacurate. So why we pay attention to religious books from 2000 years ago that can also easily be proven to be innacurate is beyond me.

it gives people security. The Egyptian book of the gods, written 100s of years before the bible has some incredibly similar anecdotes. I get frustrated with people who refuse to changes their beliefs in the face of bare facts.

 

[Horses Arse]

He no doubt existed. Was probably the equivalent of a modern day terrorist.

In fact, he is still delivering terror today.

How much happier would this world be if religion did not exist.

How much of the national debt could be repaid if every church was sold to a developer.

How many kids would not have been abused by clergy

How much money would hard pressed couples save by not marrying at a church

How many of us would be more intelligent by not wasting our school time learning about this crackpot

How many of us would have not wasted a Saturday evening by spending it in some church hall, 50 miles from home for some relative we hardly know

I'm sure many more can be added!

Amen to that!

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

46 Similarities Between Jesus and Horus

The following was adapted and expanded based on an article available from religioustolerance.org, which has their own sources.

1a. Jesus was conceived of a virgin. (Matthew 1:23 and Luke 1:27)

1b. Horus was conceived of a virgin. (source unknown)

2a. Jesus was the “only begotten son” of the god Yahweh. (Mark 1:11)

2b. Horus was the “only begotten son” of the god Osiris. (source unknown)

3a. The mother of Jesus was Mary. Sometimes referred to as Maria (Gospel of Mark) or Miriam.

3b. The mother of Horus was Meri. (source unknown)

4a. The foster father of Jesus was Joseph.

4b. The foster father of Horus was Seph. (chapter 29A of the Egyptian Book of the Dead)

5a. Joseph was of royal descent, being from the House of David.

5b. Seph was of royal descent. (source unknown)

6a. Jesus was born in cave. (Some accounts say Jesus was born in a manger in a barn or stable.)

6b. Horus was born in a cave. (source unknown)

7a. The coming birth of Jesus was announced to Mary by an angel. (Luke 1:34)

7b. The coming birth of Horus was announced to his mother by an angel. (source unknown)

8a. The birth of Jesus was heralded by a star in the East (where the Sun rises in the morning). (Matthew 2:2 and Matthew 2:9)

8b. The birth of Horus was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). (source unknown)

9a. Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25. (This coincides with a variety of pagan holidays, not just Horus. Most obvious, of course, is the Winter Solstice.)

9b. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on the Winter Solstice (December 21/22).

10a. The birth of Jesus was announced by an angel. (Luke Chapter 2)

10b. The birth of Horus was announced by an angel. (source unknown)

11a. Jesus was visited by shepherds at his birth. (Luke Chapter 2)

11b. Horus was visited by shepherds at his birth. (source unknown)

12a. Jesus was visited by magi (astrologers or wise men) at his birth. Tradition says there were three of them. (Matthew Chapter 2)

12b. Horus was visited by “three solar deities” art his birth. (source unknown)

13a. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have him murdered. (Matthew 2:16)

13b. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have him murdered. This may be more of a coincidence, as the Herod in the time of Jesus is a historical figure. (source unknown)

14a. To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to “arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” (Matthew 2:13)

14b. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.”

15a. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.

15b. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored.

16a. Jesus was 12 at his coming-of-age ritual.

16b. Horus was 12 at his coming-of-age ritual.

17a. Jesus has no official recorded history between age 12 and 30.

17b. Horus has no official recorded history between age 12 and 30.

18a. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan. (Matthew 3:6, Mark 1:5)

18b. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus.

19a. Jesus was baptized at age 30.

19b. Horus was baptized at age 30.

20a. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. (Matthew, Mark and Luke)

20b. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer.

21a. John was later beheaded. (Matthew Chapter 14, Mark Chapter 6)

21b. Anup was later beheaded.

22a. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-nemesis Satan. (Mark 1:13)

22b. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set.

23a. Jesus successfully resists.

23b. Horus successfully resists.

24a. Jesus has 12 disciples, although their names are in dispute.

24b. Horus has 12 disciples.

25a. Jesus walked on water (Matthew 14:22, Mark 6:45, John 6:16), cast out demons (Mark 7:26), healed the sick (Matthew 4:23, Mark 1:32), and restored sight to the blind (John Chapter 9).

25b. Horus walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.

26a. Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, “Peace, be still.” (Luke 8:25)

26b. Horus “stilled the sea by his power.”

27a. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (John 11:38)

27b. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)

28a. Lazarus was raised, or at least lived, in Bethany (literally, “house of Anu”). (John 12:1)

28b. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu.

29a. Jesus delivered a Sermon on the Mount.

29b. Horus delivered a Sermon on the Mount.

30a. Jesus was crucified.

30b. Horus was crucified.

31a. Jesus was crucified next to two thieves.

31b. Horus was crucified next to two thieves.

32a. Jesus was buried in a tomb. (John 19:42)

32b. Horus was buried in a tomb.

33a. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back “three days” later (although Friday night to Sunday morning in our modern tradition is hardly three days).

33b. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days.

34a. Jesus had his resurrection announced by women. (The blog MarkAndMore would like to point out that Mark 16:8 says, “And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulcher; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.” In this version, the women never made the announcement.)

34b. Horus had his resurrection announced by women.

35a. Jesus is said to return for a 1000-year reign. (Revelation 20:4)

35b. Horus is said to return for a 1000-year reign.

36a. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means “anointed one”).

36b. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one.

37a. Jesus has been called the good shepherd (John 10:11, 10:14), the lamb of God (John 1:29, 1:36), the bread of life (John 6:35, John 6:48), the son of man (many places), the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.

37b. Horus has been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.

38a. Jesus is associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).

38b. Horus is associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).

39a. Jesus is associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd’s crook.

39b. Horus is associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd’s crook.

40a. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (“the house of bread”). (Matthew 2:1)

40b. Horus was born in Anu (“the place of bread”).

41a. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: “Out of Egypt have I called my son.” (See Point 13) (Matthew 2:15)

41b. The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon.

42a. Jesus was transfigured on the mount.

42b. Horus was transfigured on the mount.

43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of “Madonna and Child.”

44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called “Immaculate”.

45. Jesus says: “Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.”

45b. Horus says: “Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power.”

46a. Jesus is identified with the Tau (cross).

46b. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

 

[FOOTSKI]

This.

Before mid-day? Sheesh, have the morning off.

Oh the irony.
Indeed. If there was an all powerful god, would he really be so petty as to not let you into heaven because, for no fault of your own, you didn't believe in him? It's pathetic.

Indeed. I feel a new poll coming...
So why is it that people believe?
a) they want to hedge their bets, just in case
b) it's a good social circle and they have good friends in the church
c) it makes them feel they are better people, because it is good people that believe
d) they're easily led
e) because there actually is a god, and the rest of us are blind

I don't but if i did it would be 'a'

 

[Triggaaar]

The church of most religions historically seem to be up the arses of the state, so as a means of control its worked, but really, what good has it actually done that wouldnt have been accomplished by some other means.

What have the Romans ever done for us

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Why would I believe in something for which there is no evidence?

 

[PC-Gull]

Indeed. I feel a new poll coming...
So why is it that people believe?
a) they want to hedge their bets, just in case
b) it's a good social circle and they have good friends in the church
c) it makes them feel they are better people, because it is good people that believe
d) they're easily led
e) because there actually is a god, and the rest of us are blind

Could add:
f) because they were brought up to believe
g) because it helps guide them through difficult times
h) it gives them a sense of purpose
i) gives them a guide on how to live their life
j) because they feel God has saved them from walking the wrong path
k) because they simply choose to believe that what they do in this life will matter in the next (should there be a next)

 

[Drumstick]

I think i love you. I have yet to meet anyone who is very religous who has an ounce of common sense applied to their lives.

I know a few my Aunt being one, She is religious yet very smart (Retired this year but was a head teacher) and has more common sence than almost anyone I've ever met. Like I said I'm on the fence one day swinging to Athism the next back to the middle but you can't just assume people who have a faith are not smart and have little commen sence.