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[Albion] Do Forest have a better squad than us?



kevo

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Minteh is an odd signing. He's got potential but is a bit of a headless chicken at the moment so it's hard to see how he gets a run of games in the team to improve. I'd rather we'd saved £30m and gave the game time to Adingra to improve on a really promising first season with us.
Minteh has been the biggest disappointment of the new signings for me. At least Weiffer is improving.
 




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People keeping saying how much better their defence is, without saying how much more effectively they’re set up to protect that defence.

Personally, I don’t think they’re better than us player for player. I think they have a vastly superior manager in charge, however.

see post #14, I did.
 




saafend_seagull

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Need 7 wins from 19 games to get top 6. No doubt finishing top 6. Excellent recruitment, however no strength in depth so could easily turn with two injuries.

We need 11 wins from 20, not happening in a million years
 




Zeberdi

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This fella:

That’s a very smart appointment and very much needed to get the first team squad into shape with the additional summer signings - perfect appointment too to spearhead the excellent succession pathway we have already developed at Brighton through the academy and youth teams to the first team.

Reflects I think that the Club is happy with Hürzeler in that they are bringing in a coach that FH has wanted very much to work with at Brighton.
 


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His goal scoring record screams ordinary. He's done OK, ish at Championship level, but before he joined Forest he was far from a top level striker


I've got nothing against the bloke, and I liked him when he was on loan, but the recency bias in your post has just exploded out of my laptop screen
Yep.

Goals scored in the far right column.

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chickens

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Were you at Fulham? They quite literally beat us in every physical challenge. Even Palace were knocking us off the ball.

I watched both matches, albeit from the comfort of home, and I’m sorry that’s at least 50% a revisionist history.

The Fulham match was the match where they scored early, and Baleba equalised about ten minutes into the second half. We looked by far the most likely to go on and win the game at the point we equalised, before O’Riley’s arse gave them a lucky second and our confidence seemed to drop. They then got a third as we chased a second equaliser, my memory is not of us being notably outmuscled, it was of belief levels dropping after we went behind a second time.

The Crystal Palace game is the one match in our entire season where you may have a point, the entire team seemed bafflingly lethargic, but I’m afraid to take that one match as proof of a consistent decline is taking cherry-picking to a zenith.

It happened in that one match, hadn’t happened before, hasn’t happened since.
 


Nobby Cybergoat

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Yep.

Goals scored in the far right column.

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I always think strikers who aren't pace merchants peak later than any other position on the pitch.

There are loads of examples of late career surges in strikers. That goalscoring know how takes 100s of games to pick up on my view.

I admit I get a little frustrated with the number of posters who must have seen this pattern multiple times, but yet are happy to put the boot in to our youngsters in that position who clearly need time to learn their craft
 


Nobby Cybergoat

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I watched both matches, albeit from the comfort of home, and I’m sorry that’s at least 50% a revisionist history.

The Fulham match was the match where they scored early, and Baleba equalised about ten minutes into the second half. We looked by far the most likely to go on and win the game at the point we equalised, before O’Riley’s arse gave them a lucky second and our confidence seemed to drop. They then got a third as we chased a second equaliser, my memory is not of us being notably outmuscled, it was of belief levels dropping after we went behind a second time.

The Crystal Palace game is the one match in our entire season where you may have a point, the entire team seemed bafflingly lethargic, but I’m afraid to take that one match as proof of a consistent decline is taking cherry-picking to a zenith.

It happened in that one match, hadn’t happened before, hasn’t happened since.
Yeh we got beat up by Palace. Not really Fulham though.

Villa will be praying we put out a callow looking side
 




willalbion

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The lack of patience is quite funny really. Personally I think this is our season’s bad spell and we’ll have a storming second half of the season. Nuno’s doing a great job at Forest, Silva is at Fulham, I think Fab will come good again.
 


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I watched both matches, albeit from the comfort of home, and I’m sorry that’s at least 50% a revisionist history.

The Fulham match was the match where they scored early, and Baleba equalised about ten minutes into the second half. We looked by far the most likely to go on and win the game at the point we equalised, before O’Riley’s arse gave them a lucky second and our confidence seemed to drop. They then got a third as we chased a second equaliser, my memory is not of us being notably outmuscled, it was of belief levels dropping after we went behind a second time.

The Crystal Palace game is the one match in our entire season where you may have a point, the entire team seemed bafflingly lethargic, but I’m afraid to take that one match as proof of a consistent decline is taking cherry-picking to a zenith.

It happened in that one match, hadn’t happened before, hasn’t happened since.
You probably want to rewatch the goals. For goal two Bassey (who is admittedly a unit) eases O’Riley into the ball. And that’s a criminal match up by the way. And goal three isn’t on the break. We miss three opportunities to tackle. Fulham were stronger than us all evening. Admittedly Adingra should have scored but when it’s parried out we miss the opportunity to put it back in from the right under the slightest of defensive pressure.
 


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I watched both matches, albeit from the comfort of home, and I’m sorry that’s at least 50% a revisionist history.

The Fulham match was the match where they scored early, and Baleba equalised about ten minutes into the second half. We looked by far the most likely to go on and win the game at the point we equalised, before O’Riley’s arse gave them a lucky second and our confidence seemed to drop. They then got a third as we chased a second equaliser, my memory is not of us being notably outmuscled, it was of belief levels dropping after we went behind a second time.

The Crystal Palace game is the one match in our entire season where you may have a point, the entire team seemed bafflingly lethargic, but I’m afraid to take that one match as proof of a consistent decline is taking cherry-picking to a zenith.

It happened in that one match, hadn’t happened before, hasn’t happened since.

I also watched Fulham from the sofa. I felt the equaliser irked Silva and their players, they upped their game. The moment Silva made subs on 70’, they were really going for the win, we weren’t in it. When it went 2-1 we lost our heads, Dunk’s lengthy arguing with the ref and the others visibly looked beaten. That’s despite 11’ plus stoppage time to go. Poor mentality. Many other PL teams this season don’t know when they’re beaten in the closing stages eg Bmuff at Fulham, Fulham at Chelsea, Wolves at Spurs.
 




Springal

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Forest have a bit more proven PL quality / experience about them really, something we lack with a young , inexperienced team
 


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You probably want to rewatch the goals. For goal two Bassey (who is admittedly a unit) eases O’Riley into the ball. And that’s a criminal match up by the way. And goal three isn’t on the break. We miss three opportunities to tackle. Fulham were stronger than us all evening. Admittedly Adingra should have scored but when it’s parried out we miss the opportunity to put it back in from the right under the slightest of defensive pressure.

I will watch the goals again, but I definitely didn’t finish that match feeling we’d been routinely outmuscled.

@Weststander has also suggested that the equaliser spurred Fulham on, so I might try and find a extended highlights/full match replay, though it feels a bit like being a glutton for punishment given we know how it ends.

Palace remains the only game this season where at the end I felt we’d been comprehensively outfought,
 


Brian Fantana

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I will watch the goals again, but I definitely didn’t finish that match feeling we’d been routinely outmuscled.

@Weststander has also suggested that the equaliser spurred Fulham on, so I might try and find a extended highlights/full match replay, though it feels a bit like being a glutton for punishment given we know how it ends.

Palace remains the only game this season where at the end I felt we’d been comprehensively outfought,
I'm another one who thinks you need to re-watch the Fulham highlights.
 


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I will watch the goals again, but I definitely didn’t finish that match feeling we’d been routinely outmuscled.

@Weststander has also suggested that the equaliser spurred Fulham on, so I might try and find a extended highlights/full match replay, though it feels a bit like being a glutton for punishment given we know how it ends.

Palace remains the only game this season where at the end I felt we’d been comprehensively outfought,
I should probably take back the phrase “literally every”. It comes from living with a 14 year old who literally says literally every ten seconds. Literally.

The match stats show we had more possession and shots, as will the highlights but I’m not saying we weren’t in the game. However, Fulham made more tackles. won more tackles, won more duels and committed fewer fouls. And, as I said in the previous post, two instances of poor strength in defence lead to goals.

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chaileyjem

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Minteh is an odd signing. He's got potential but is a bit of a headless chicken at the moment so it's hard to see how he gets a run of games in the team to improve. I'd rather we'd saved £30m and gave the game time to Adingra to improve on a really promising first season with us.
Minteh is just 20 years old and has certainly shown fleeting signs of why we signed him - that goal against Leicester for starters. And he’s had an injury. Far too soon to write him off or pass verdict I’d say.
 


warmleyseagull

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They don’t have as deep a squad; what they do have is an XI that almost picks itself; with few injuries; a signing in Milenkovic that has been inspired; and a canny manager. Their problem may be loss of form or injury, particularly for Wood.

Brighton are transitioning. The criticism against Hurzeler is that he seems unable to enunciate the style he wishes to play; instead playing Tinkerman with the new signings (partly enforced by injury). It is not his fault that 100 people asked what is Albion’s best XI currently would probably come out with 70 odd different answers,

There is an argument that we were TOO active in the summer, meaning Hurzeler has to tinker a lot to give players game time. Not helped by injury or the fact that none of them have popped up as THE signing of the summer.

I am hopeful that Niedzkowski will add more structure to the management. Hurzeler is WIP, needs some help.
 


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