[Albion] Do Albion Bonuses Get Paid Out On Possession Stats?

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I am not a fan of this ponderous, uninteresting and monotonous manager. I hope this season will be his last and we'll get someone in who has more interest in entertainment rather than boring out a narrow win or boring out a draw. We have good attacking players, but we have an inadequate manager when it comes to playing attacking football.

No real surprise that a boring man is leading a boring team in boring match after boring match.

Oh you've gone and done it NOW

 

[Easy 10]

It's a simple tap-in for the boy [MENTION=70]Easy 10[/MENTION]

THPP, the assist-MASTER of NSC

 

[um bongo molongo]

I am not a fan of this ponderous, uninteresting and monotonous manager. I hope this season will be his last and we'll get someone in who has more interest in entertainment rather than boring out a narrow win or boring out a draw. We have good attacking players, but we have an inadequate manager when it comes to playing attacking football.

No real surprise that a boring man is leading a boring team in boring match after boring match.

“We have good attacking players” - we really don’t.

 

[Dave the hatosaurus]

I am not a fan of this ponderous, uninteresting and monotonous manager. I hope this season will be his last and we'll get someone in who has more interest in entertainment rather than boring out a narrow win or boring out a draw. We have good attacking players, but we have an inadequate manager when it comes to playing attacking football.

No real surprise that a boring man is leading a boring team in boring match after boring match.

OK , i'll bite
So basically you are saying you do not care about the result so long as you personally are " entertained " . and if your comeback is that the two are not mutually exclusive then i would agree BUT i would argue that it is not likely to happen on our budget .
Also i was at the villa game and i am sure like everyone else was bitterly disappointed at the result but you and i both know that if it had been us that scored with a few minutes to go and held on to win the reaction on here would be totally different .
Such is football , such is life . We cannot always get everything we would want .

 

[boik]

While that is understandable, what I fail to understand is why some people think having less possession, have the defenders make near impossible passes because "otherwise people might get impatient" and generally go back to some kind of medieval style of football would automatically produce better results.

I watched the entire 1966 World Cup final again recently, and just about every time England made a pass that wasn't forward there were groans and quite a few shouts of "get it forward". We had exactly the same thing when Gus started changing the way we play. It's a generational thing I think.

 

[Questions]

OK , i'll bite

Such is football , such is life . We cannot always get everything we would want .

But if you try sometime, you might find, you get what you need.

 

[Dave the hatosaurus]

I watched the entire 1966 World Cup final again recently, and just about every time England made a pass that wasn't forward there were groans and quite a few shouts of "get it forward". We had exactly the same thing when Gus started changing the way we play. It's a generational thing I think.

My dear old dad , god rest his soul , never did get it . To him football was a simple game with numbers 1 - 11 on the pitch each representing a certain type of player and the result was in essence dictated by the battles between wingers and full backs or centre forwards and centre halfs . However i passed 60 some time back and i do get it so we must have some very elderly participants on here if what you are suggesting is true !

 

[Badger Boy]

OK , i'll bite
So basically you are saying you do not care about the result so long as you personally are " entertained " . and if your comeback is that the two are not mutually exclusive then i would agree BUT i would argue that it is not likely to happen on our budget .
Also i was at the villa game and i am sure like everyone else was bitterly disappointed at the result but you and i both know that if it had been us that scored with a few minutes to go and held on to win the reaction on here would be totally different .
Such is football , such is life . We cannot always get everything we would want .

Personally, I'm of the opinion that football is entertainment. Of course, for the club, it's a huge business. But the fan in the stands, it's entertainment. And there's nothing entertaining about this club at the moment. The football is largely tedious albeit pretty. I'm tired of hearing about the budget, there's been plenty spent and the players we have are perfectly capable of putting on a show. What's lacking is the coaching to want to do so.

I can't imagine how bored the likes of Trossard and Mac Allister are. Pure attacking footballers who want to be on the ball and making things happen. Maupay wants to be fed in the box to score goals, that's what he does - but not something he can do in this team because the box is a scary place and one we'd prefer to avoid. We'll score from set pieces or a penalty if we're lucky enough to get one. There aren't enough goals in this team because there isn't any attacking intent in this team - which comes from the manager.

Match of the Day was fantastic on Saturday, goals galore. Newcastle had 5 or 6 players in the box on a few occasions and scored 3 goals. Obviously, defensively, they're rubbish with an English Maty Ryan in goal. But we have a strong defence and goalkeeper, we could afford to be more attacking in search of scoring goals to actively win games rather than hoping it happens for us. My opinion is that the players are not the problem.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I watched the entire 1966 World Cup final again recently, and just about every time England made a pass that wasn't forward there were groans and quite a few shouts of "get it forward". We had exactly the same thing when Gus started changing the way we play. It's a generational thing I think.

That GP thing was The Eternal Ankergren -> T.Elphick -> El-Abd Triangle. 'To you Tommy, to you Adam' repeated half a dozen times, then back to Ankergren who would then hoof it aimlessly upfield. Silky possession football according to some, laughable to others. To GP's credit tho, he WAS attempting to uncoach everything that Elphick and El-Abd had ever been coached about Clear Yer Lines defending. It was like teaching toddlers to walk. So fair play for that. Tho not quite sure what the current incumbent's rationale is for dicking around at the back. Makes no sense, gains us nothing other than a couple more possession percentage points. Opposition are more than happy to let us get on with it, and smart enough to be waiting to pounce on the first dickaround misplaced pass. It clearly benefits the opposition more than it benefits us

 

[Bold Seagull]

Personally, I'm of the opinion that football is entertainment. Of course, for the club, it's a huge business. But the fan in the stands, it's entertainment. And there's nothing entertaining about this club at the moment. The football is largely tedious albeit pretty. I'm tired of hearing about the budget, there's been plenty spent and the players we have are perfectly capable of putting on a show. What's lacking is the coaching to want to do so.

I can't imagine how bored the likes of Trossard and Mac Allister are. Pure attacking footballers who want to be on the ball and making things happen. Maupay wants to be fed in the box to score goals, that's what he does - but not something he can do in this team because the box is a scary place and one we'd prefer to avoid. We'll score from set pieces or a penalty if we're lucky enough to get one. There aren't enough goals in this team because there isn't any attacking intent in this team - which comes from the manager.

Match of the Day was fantastic on Saturday, goals galore. Newcastle had 5 or 6 players in the box on a few occasions and scored 3 goals. Obviously, defensively, they're rubbish with an English Maty Ryan in goal. But we have a strong defence and goalkeeper, we could afford to be more attacking in search of scoring goals to actively win games rather than hoping it happens for us. My opinion is that the players are not the problem.

Didn't Maupay miss a couple of sitters when fed into the box against Norwich? Weren't we on motd being complimented on how attacking we were at Anfield? Newcastle were arguably the most defensive setup team I can remember playing at home in the PL. I'm not sure the players or the manager are the problem either...

 

[Dave the hatosaurus]

And there's nothing entertaining about this club at the moment. The football is largely tedious albeit pretty. I'm tired of hearing about the budget, there's been plenty spent and the players we have are perfectly capable of putting on a show.

Match of the Day was fantastic on Saturday, goals galore. Newcastle had 5 or 6 players in the box on a few occasions and scored 3 goals. Obviously, defensively, they're rubbish with an English Maty Ryan in goal. But we have a strong defence and goalkeeper, we could afford to be more attacking in search of scoring goals to actively win games rather than hoping it happens for us.

To me part of the entertainment is taking the rough with the smooth , the anticipation versus reality etc .As to the budget you may well be tired of it but i cannot understand if you do not see it as a major source of standing and results in the EPL.
Yes there were indeed many goals on MOTD on saturday but is it a regular occurrence ? i think not . Yes we do have a strong defence but would it be as good if we were committing 6 into the box ? i personally do not think so .
I understand that you think the current squad is good enough to win some games 5-4 or 4-3 , draw some games 3-3 or 4-4 and inevitably lose some 3-4 or 4-5 but whether that is true or not i do not think we will find out under GP or any other coach !

 

[Justice]

Didn't Maupay miss a couple of sitters when fed into the box against Norwich? Weren't we on motd being complimented on how attacking we were at Anfield? Newcastle were arguably the most defensive setup team I can remember playing at home in the PL. I'm not sure the players or the manager are the problem either...

We are not really any different to Wolves to be fair apart from a goal scorer who wins them countless games. He didn’t cost the earth either which is the normal goto when the discussion of strikers rears it’s head on here.

 

[Badger Boy]

To me part of the entertainment is taking the rough with the smooth , the anticipation versus reality etc .As to the budget you may well be tired of it but i cannot understand if you do not see it as a major source of standing and results in the EPL.
Yes there were indeed many goals on MOTD on saturday but is it a regular occurrence ? i think not . Yes we do have a strong defence but would it be as good if we were committing 6 into the box ? i personally do not think so .
I understand that you think the current squad is good enough to win some games 5-4 or 4-3 , draw some games 3-3 or 4-4 and inevitably lose some 3-4 or 4-5 but whether that is true or not i do not think we will find out under GP or any other coach !

You're going to the extremes there, Hatosaurus Dave! I'm not talking about expecting to see 3s and 4s for goals scored in a game. Even 2 in a game would be nice! I'm talking about setting the team up to be more attacking which would hopefully, in turn, lead to creating more chances and scoring more goals. I've no problem losing, I've been a Brighton fan for decades! It's not the winning and losing, it's the going to games hoping to enjoy it. Maybe I'm in the minority and I've no problem if I am - but I think the team has become so pragmatic that there's little enjoyment now. I have no expectation that we'll score goals and no expectation that the game will be exciting to watch. I fully expect every game to be fairly boring and tame and know that there will be a handful of exceptions over the course of the season.

At no point on Saturday did I think we were going to score a goal. I watched the Newcastle game with the same feeling, it took a dubious penalty for us to do so.

 

[zefarelly]

Personally, I'm of the opinion that football is entertainment. Of course, for the club, it's a huge business. But the fan in the stands, it's entertainment. And there's nothing entertaining about this club at the moment. The football is largely tedious albeit pretty. I'm tired of hearing about the budget, there's been plenty spent and the players we have are perfectly capable of putting on a show. What's lacking is the coaching to want to do so.

I can't imagine how bored the likes of Trossard and Mac Allister are. Pure attacking footballers who want to be on the ball and making things happen. Maupay wants to be fed in the box to score goals, that's what he does - but not something he can do in this team because the box is a scary place and one we'd prefer to avoid. We'll score from set pieces or a penalty if we're lucky enough to get one. There aren't enough goals in this team because there isn't any attacking intent in this team - which comes from the manager.


Match of the Day was fantastic on Saturday, goals galore. Newcastle had 5 or 6 players in the box on a few occasions and scored 3 goals. Obviously, defensively, they're rubbish with an English Maty Ryan in goal. But we have a strong defence and goalkeeper, we could afford to be more attacking in search of scoring goals to actively win games rather than hoping it happens for us. My opinion is that the players are not the problem.

I agree.

Hairy Porters tic-tacs work against the sides that should and usually do beat us ( top 6) and we have got some results, which is admirable, However he appears to be incapable of parking his ideals in order to play an effective type of football to get results against lesser teams . . . .

we'l;l score one more than you is entertainment. I don't think GP has that in his DNA.

 

[Swansman]

I agree.

Hairy Porters tic-tacs work against the sides that should and usually do beat us ( top 6) and we have got some results, which is admirable, However he appears to be incapable of parking his ideals in order to play an effective type of football to get results against lesser teams . . . .

we'l;l score one more than you is entertainment. I don't think GP has that in his DNA.

Or maybe there is a big gap between how good this team really is compared to how good some people think it is and that a lot of results in football are down to the quality of the people on the pitch

 

[Justice]

The club go through weird obsessions from Signing a load of Spaniards and having a Spanish day then we went to signing second rate Dutch shite Elvis Manu to DJ Locadia followed by a Nordic gathering. Now we seem more interested in signing a ton of prospects looking for the next BW to sell for £50m which is fine but it does seem a bit at the expense first team.

The paying fan base want one thing on a Saturday a few goals to cheer, the next how many millions that go into the clubs bank account is of little relevance to me and I guess many others.

 

[zefarelly]

Or maybe there is a big gap between how good this team really is compared to how good some people think it is and that a lot of results in football are down to the quality of the people on the pitch

GP maybe gives the players the belief they're good enough to play luxury against superior opposition, but It's the dog fight stuff we're poor at.

Surely we have the quality to play a less sophisticated style when required ?

 

[Swansman]

The club go through weird obsessions from Signing a load of Spaniards and having a Spanish day then we went to signing second rate Dutch shite Elvis Manu to DJ Locadia. Now we seem more interested in signing a ton of prospects looking for the next BW to sell for £50m which is fine but it does seem a bit at the expense first team.

The paying fan base want one thing on a Saturday a few goals to cheer, the next how many millions that go into the clubs bank account is of little relevance to me and I guess many others.

I'm sure it was of little relevance to fans cheering for a lot of teams currently hard stuck in League Two or National League due to overspending and accumulating debts. Luckily Tony Bloom is a sensible man and the finances is relevant to him.

It is a luxuary to think "the clubs bank account is of little relevance" as it is an attitude that can turn out very problematic. I read about this club having a spell in the top division in the 80s and overspending a bit and some ten years later thousands of fans, some of them lifelong, almost lost their club.

 

[Swansman]

GP maybe gives the players the belief they're good enough to play luxury against superior opposition, but It's the dog fight stuff we're poor at.

Surely we have the quality to play a less sophisticated style when required ?

What says "a less sophisticated style" would mean better results?

 

[Justice]

GP maybe gives the players the belief they're good enough to play luxury against superior opposition, but It's the dog fight stuff we're poor at.

Surely we have the quality to play a less sophisticated style when required ?

Soft underbelly to the squad & coaching team, loved the way Conte never stopped raising the levels yesterday from the fans to the players he was desperate for the points and it showed.