[News] "Dianne Abbott at the darts" / Antoine Griezzman fancy dress

[Simster]

Well there's a difference between what you do on primetime TV and at parties.

Indeed there is, but you didn't afford the bloke in the darts audience that distinction - he's just a racist tosser according to some people on here.

As an aside, I was thinking the other day about Simon Pegg using "Gay!" as an insult (to mean 'lame') in Shaun of the Dead (or was it Hot Fuzz?). There's no way he'd do that today.

Yeah this is a good example of prevailing attitudes changing in a fairly short space of time. That said, if I heard someone use that term now in the same context I would probably squirm uncomfortably but ultimately not accuse him of being a bigoted tit, which is what so many people are prepared to do to this darts guy.

 

[Bakero]

You're referencing dated comedy shows. Even the Little Britain stars have moved on in the last decade...

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...britain-remake-would-not-play-black-character

Well, one of them...

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/...ce-kim-jongun-halloween-costume-a3673426.html

Wasn't Little Britain dated when it came out?

 

[Wozza]

Wasn't Little Britain dated when it came out?

Ha. It's okay, we have Mrs Brown's Boys now....

 

[Buzzer]

I wouldn't disagree. It's still a change.

Fair enough but I don't follow your argument that we used to laugh at the racists and Brexit has confirmed that they do behave in the way we mocked therefore we can't laugh at them anymore in the same way.

 

[Wozza]

Indeed there is, but you didn't afford the bloke in the darts audience that distinction - he's just a racist tosser according to some people on here.

Huh? I'm not saying anything goes at parties. Walliams was heavily criticised for this Kim Jong-un outfit.

I wouldn't dress up as a Nazi, Maddie McCann or Ched Evans - but some idiots do.

 

[Buzzer]

Ha. It's okay, we have Mrs Brown's Boys now....

Mrs Brown's Boys predates Brexit by some considerable margin. It even predates Little Britain. You'll have to find another sitcom to blame Brexit on.

 

[The Clamp]

Having been to a few darts contests in my time, trust me this would have been one of the less offensive things to have occurred.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Having been to a few darts contests in my time, trust me this would have been one of the less offensive things to have occurred.

Spill the beans!

 

[nigeyb]

I don't see a problem with blacking up

And you are black?

If so, fair enough.

If not, then that you should probably think about it a bit more deeply.

Instead of asking what's wrong with it - try this question, what's right about it? There is no credible answer to this question.

Bear in mind, blackface went hand-in-glove with day to day hateful and discriminatory treatment. I'm old enough to remember the 1970s when the B&W Minstrel show was on the air, when Jim Davidson routinely portrayed black people and Irish people as thick and ignorant, when Love Thy Neighbour, Mind Your Language were deemed acceptable mainstream TV "entertainment". Listen to black people talk about growing up in that environment and think about what it would be like to be in their shoes.

Blackface reinforces the idea that black people are appropriate targets of ridicule and mockery and reminds us of stereotypes about black criminality. Stereotypes that still inform implicit bias and discriminatory treatment in job recruitment and policing.

I hope that goes some way to explain why blacking up, no matter what the intent of the person doing it is....

demeaning black people as a race

 

[Mackenzie]

And you are black?

If so, fair enough.

If not, then that you should probably think about it a bit more deeply.

Instead of asking what's wrong with it - try this question, what's right about it? There is no credible answer to this question.

Bear in mind, blackface went hand-in-glove with day to day hateful and discriminatory treatment. I'm old enough to remember the 1970s when the B&W Minstrel show was on the air, when Jim Davidson routinely portrayed black people and Irish people as thick and ignorant, when Love Thy Neighbour, Mind Your Language were deemed acceptable mainstream TV "entertainment". Listen to black people talk about growing up in that environment and think about what it would be like to be in their shoes.

Blackface reinforces the idea that black people are appropriate targets of ridicule and mockery and reminds us of stereotypes about black criminality. Stereotypes that still inform implicit bias and discriminatory treatment in job recruitment and policing.

I hope that goes some way to explain why blacking up, no matter what the intent of the person doing it is....

He’s dressed up as Diane Abbott, a black woman, to take the piss out of Diane Abbott. Nothing else.

Surely everyone finds her ridiculous?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

And you are black?

If so, fair enough.

If not, then that you should probably think about it a bit more deeply.

Instead of asking what's wrong with it - try this question, what's right about it? There is no credible answer to this question.

Bear in mind, blackface went hand-in-glove with day to day hateful and discriminatory treatment. I'm old enough to remember the 1970s when the B&W Minstrel show was on the air, when Jim Davidson routinely portrayed black people and Irish people as thick and ignorant, when Love Thy Neighbour, Mind Your Language were deemed acceptable mainstream TV "entertainment". Listen to black people talk about growing up in that environment and think about what it would be like to be in their shoes.

Blackface reinforces the idea that black people are appropriate targets of ridicule and mockery and reminds us of stereotypes about black criminality. Stereotypes that still inform implicit bias and discriminatory treatment in job recruitment and policing.

I hope that goes some way to explain why blacking up, no matter what the intent of the person doing it is....

no one had a problem with it back then , DID YOU HEAR ANY BLACK PEOPLE VOICING CONCERNS AT THE TIME ?
regards
DR

 

[Ernest]

no one had a problem with it back then , DID YOU HEAR ANY BLACK PEOPLE VOICING CONCERNS AT THE TIME ?
regards
DR

They were too busy dodging bananas the likes of you were throwing at them at football matches

 

[nigeyb]

He’s dressed up as Diane Abbott, a black woman, to take the piss out of Diane Abbott. Nothing else.

Surely everyone finds her ridiculous?

If everyone found her ridiculous she would not have elected MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington at every election since 1987....amongst her many other career achievements

 

[nigeyb]

DID YOU HEAR ANY BLACK PEOPLE VOICING CONCERNS AT THE TIME?

I did not - but I have listened to many accounts by black people who grew up in that environment in the subsequent years, and then thought about what I had heard

I have taken time to understand why blackface is deeply offensive to black people. Just google "blackface" and think about it. Anyone who takes the time and trouble to research the history and then think about would come to a similar conclusion.

Unless of course they were racist, or lacking in empathy.

 

[nigeyb]

A very good starting point for anyone genuinely interested in the topic (and bringing it back to BHAFC) should read....


'It's Only Banter': The Autobiography of Leroy Rosenior

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Its-Only-B...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=1785312081

It answers this question...

DID YOU HEAR ANY BLACK PEOPLE VOICING CONCERNS AT THE TIME?

 

[Ernest]

He’s dressed up as Diane Abbott, a black woman, to take the piss out of Diane Abbott. Nothing else.

Surely everyone finds her ridiculous?

Maybe if you took time out to research her achievements instead of going down the Daily Mail hatred line you may form a different opinion

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

They were too busy dodging bananas the likes of you were throwing at them at football matches

THAT'S HOW THICK YOU ARE
regards
DR

 

[Mackenzie]

Maybe if you took time out to research her achievements instead of going down the Daily Mail hatred line you may form a different opinion

I don't hate her, I've not met her, but I have watched her interview with Nick Ferrari which for a politician in such a lofty position was ridiculous.

 

[nigeyb]

I don't hate her, I've not met her, but I have watched her interview with Nick Ferrari which for a politician in such a lofty position was ridiculous.

To what extent do you think it's "ridiculous" that she attracts 45% of all abuse on Twitter aimed at MPs?

To what extent do you think it's "ridiculous" that in 2017 she receives stuff like this: “Pathetic useless fat black piece of shit Abbott. Just a piece of pig shit pond slime who should be ****ing hung (if they could find a tree big enough to take the fat bitch’s weight”)"?

To what extent do you think it's "ridiculous" that this is typical of what she receives on Twitter?...



^ To what extent does she gets more of this type of abuse than any other MP because she's black and because she's female?

By apologising the original incident, or dismissing it as merely banter, or just a joke, or harmless fun, in a small way you contribute to the culture that encourages abuse of women and minorities - and that is clearly something that should concern everyone who values freedom and equality. Democracy is strengthened when everyone in our community can represent us, and more importantly represent us without fear of abuse or hate. Pretty obvious isn't it?

 

[Buzzer]

To what extent do you think it's "ridiculous" that she attracts 45% of all abuse on Twitter aimed at MPs?

To what extent do you think it's "ridiculous" that in 2017 she receives stuff like this: “Pathetic useless fat black piece of shit Abbott. Just a piece of pig shit pond slime who should be ****ing hung (if they could find a tree big enough to take the fat bitch’s weight”)"?

To what extent do you think it's "ridiculous" that this is typical of what she receives on Twitter?...

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^ To what extent does she gets more of this type of abuse than any other MP because she's black and because she's female?

By apologising the original incident, or dismissing it as merely banter, or just a joke, or harmless fun, in a small way you contribute to the culture that encourages abuse of women and minorities - and that is clearly something that should concern everyone who values freedom and equality. Democracy is strengthened when everyone in our community can represent us, and more importantly represent us without fear of abuse or hate. Pretty obvious isn't it?

She does not attract 45% of all abuse to MPs on Twitter.