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Derren Brown Lottery Trick Revealed



burrish-gull

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Mar 24, 2009
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Spent the weekend with my old university mates, some of who work in tv and film. One of them it turned out was the cameraman hired for the Derren Brown lottery trick the other week.

He does specialist robot controlled camera work, usually for the film industry and revealed to me it was a split screen technique that they used. It was extremely complex and this camera had to be used to get the timings correct to match the live event exactly. A 'runner' then ran behind the split screen and changed the balls.

Interestingly they had problems matching this specialised film camera frame accurately with the television standard equipment in the studio (VCR's etc...) hence the slight frame jump people noticed.
 
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burrish-gull

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Mar 24, 2009
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Welcome to two weeks ago!

Cheers for that mate, did'nt know anyone on here was privy to the knowledge I was given by the bloke who actually shot the damn thing. But thanks for your input:wozza:
 
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jordanseagull

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I was'nt aware it was common knowledge specialised film people were brought in to do the job on a live terrestrial television production (something rarely, if ever happens).

Well, it isn't common knowledge that it is FACT. But, many, many people believed this was the case. Even Derren himself on the revealing program said 'It has been interesting to read about all of these conspiracy theories such as the split screen etc..'

:thumbsup:
 




burrish-gull

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Well, it isn't common knowledge that it is FACT. But, many, many people believed this was the case. Even Derren himself on the revealing program said 'It has been interesting to read about all of these conspiracy theories such as the split screen etc..'

:thumbsup:

It was 'straight from the horses mouth' you might say! My friend usually works on major films, all the Harry Potter's are just some. He normally has nothing to do with television as such and the two mediums very rarely cross when it comes to the kind of kit they used to pull it off.
 


auschr

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The sad thing was trying to listen to Derren try to explain it.. and make it just sound even worse.. a cheap camera trick.. he went down in my estimation
 


burrish-gull

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The sad thing was trying to listen to Derren try to explain it.. and make it just sound even worse.. a cheap camera trick.. he went down in my estimation

Very true but the camera itself is'nt cheap!! He said the whole thing was a nightmare and extremely complex.
 




Spun Cuppa

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It was 'straight from the horses mouth' you might say! My friend usually works on major films, all the Harry Potter's are just some. He normally has nothing to do with television as such and the two mediums very rarely cross when it comes to the kind of kit they used to pull it off.

That would be because cine is shot at 24 f.p.s. and video is shot at 25 f.p.s.
 




Spun Cuppa

Thanks Greens :(
Not so much that but (although true), the camera can be locked into both. Its more to do with the lack of needing it in a broadcast enviornment.

I was just messing with you. Most up to date video cameras would have adjustable frame rates...

When I was doing a film course, I telecined some Super8 directly to DV and couldn't understand the flicker...

DOH!

The 24/25 f.p.s. issue :dunce:
 




burrish-gull

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Mar 24, 2009
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I was just messing with you. Most up to date video cameras would have adjustable frame rates...

When I was doing a film course, I telecined some Super8 directly to DV and couldn't understand the flicker...

DOH!

The 24/25 f.p.s. issue :dunce:

Don't worry mate, I've worked in television transmission suites for the last 10 years and I still get confused by different frame rates issues. Don't get me started on aspect ratios:US:
 












Wozza

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Jul 6, 2003
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What when you posted something you found something on the internet and now we have someone who has spoken to something actually involved ?

Why would would we want to go back to that.....

"We have someone who has spoken to something actually involved". LOL!

Anyone with half a brain cell guessed how it was done, primarily due to the mistake - as mentioned two weeks ago.

Didn't need someone who spoke to someone to 'confirm' it.
 


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