[Albion] Deniz Undav - season long loan to Stuttgart confirmed

[Coldwaltham Seagull]

His latest quote indicates that those personal reasons for needing to be in Germany have passed.

“I think there are few players who would turn down an offer from FC Bayern. Everyone wants to move to the really big clubs at some point: Man City, Real [Madrid], Barcelona. That is the last big step that I want to achieve at some point and I give everything for it every day.”

Strikes me that the best way to achieve this ambition other than having a blistering Euro 2024 would be to come back and prove he can score goals at a consistently high level in the Premier League. Appreciate Stuttgart will be playing Champions League football but I would argue the overall quality of the Premier League is still far higher overall and therefore more attractive to the elite clubs.

 

[GT49er]

Can Tony and Paul pull off a bait and switch where we draw them in with the offer of Undav but end up selling them Dahoud?

BOGOF deal ..........................

 

[pigmanovich]

BOGOF deal ..........................

On the contrary, the point is to keep Undav and offload Dahoud!

 

[A mex eyecan]

His latest quote indicates that those personal reasons for needing to be in Germany have passed.

I wonder if those personal reasons may have been RDZ and his crew?

 

[GT49er]

On the contrary, the point is to keep Undav and offload Dahoud!

No! £20M for Undav (£15M if you take Dahoud too).

Strange, isn't it - other players who want away for one reason or another (Cucurella, Trossard, Sanchez, Caicedo) get a right slating on here. Deniz 'I don't want to be here' Undav gets a free ride.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

No! £20M for Undav (£15M if you take Dahoud too).

Strange, isn't it - other players who want away for one reason or another (Cucurella, Trossard, Sanchez, Caicedo) get a right slating on here. Deniz 'I don't want to be here' Undav gets a free ride.

Maybe Undav could have done a bit more to actually, y'know, produce the goods while he was here, rather than looking like a slower lardier version of Maupay

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Maybe Undav could have done a bit more to actually, y'know, produce the goods while he was here, rather than looking like a slower lardier version of Maupay

5 goals from 350 minutes playing time, across 8 games.
Plenty of goods produced at the end of his first season in the Premier league.

would have been nice if Ferguson was producing those kind of numbers, in the second half of the last season.

 

[Jeremiah]

Maybe Undav could have done a bit more to actually, y'know, produce the goods while he was here, rather than looking like a slower lardier version of Maupay

I can't help but remember that glorious chance he missed in the semi - final to put us in the Cup Final. A bit harsh maybe but that's what i always associate Undav with.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I can't help but remember that glorious chance he missed in the semi - final to put us in the Cup Final. A bit harsh maybe but that's what i always associate Undav with.

really?

I remember the goals against Arsenal and Wolves.

watching them live, i assumed he'd fluffed his lines with the shot for the wolves goal. Nope, sublime finish.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Strikes me that the best way to achieve this ambition other than having a blistering Euro 2024 would be to come back and prove he can score goals at a consistently high level in the Premier League. Appreciate Stuttgart will be playing Champions League football but I would argue the overall quality of the Premier League is still far higher overall and therefore more attractive to the elite clubs.

Really? champions league football or Southampton on a cold Tuesday night.
I think sometimes we overestimate our drawing power for players.
when we have had 4 or 5 seasons in Europe perhaps we can start to think we are a European powerhouse rather than a team who has had one relatively successful year in the second tier competition in Europe.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Really? champions league football or Southampton on a cold Tuesday night.
I think sometimes we overestimate our drawing power for players.
when we have had 4 or 5 seasons in Europe perhaps we can start to think we are a European powerhouse rather than a team who has had one relatively successful year in the second tier competition in Europe.

Yep!

 

[maresfield seagull]

No! £20M for Undav (£15M if you take Dahoud too).

Strange, isn't it - other players who want away for one reason or another (Cucurella, Trossard, Sanchez, Caicedo) get a right slating on here. Deniz 'I don't want to be here' Undav gets a free ride.

None of the aforementioned went on loan to get game time
after getting first team run outs

 

[Hugo Rune]

My prediction: yes.
Depends a little bit on the manager we get in and his preferred formation(s) and style of play, but I imagine Welbeck, Ferguson + another will be our CFs and that Pedro and Enciso will mainly play in other attacking positions.

That ‘+ another’ may well be Osman.

A different profile to the others (astonishing pace) and has player centre forward in 7 of his last 9 games for Nordsjælland scoring 3 and assisting 3 in that role.

O’Mahony would be another option. We ain’t getting another striker in to quote Naylor.

 

[John Byrnes Mullet]

He won't be coming back. No chance.

 

[GT49er]

None of the aforementioned went on loan to get game time
after getting first team run outs

I know that! It's totally irrelevant! They all made a fuss and wanted out; so did Undav - but he remains apparently squeaky clean, whilst the others are sons of darkness. If you can't see the discrepancy there, and think it's all about who went out on loan ........................

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

His latest quote indicates that those personal reasons for needing to be in Germany have passed.

I wonder if those personal reasons may have been RDZ and his crew?

No....started before that....family shit, and private. That's all we need to know.

I hope he returns. Got Fred Binney #2 written all over him

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I know that! It's totally irrelevant! They all made a fuss and wanted out; so did Undav - but he remains apparently squeaky clean, whilst the others are sons of darkness. If you can't see the discrepancy there, and think it's all about who went out on loan ........................

See my post above.

 

[oldboyroy]

He won't be coming back. No chance.

Unfortunately, I agree

 

[maresfield seagull]

I know that! It's totally irrelevant! They all made a fuss and wanted out; so did Undav - but he remains apparently squeaky clean, whilst the others are sons of darkness. If you can't see the discrepancy there, and think it's all about who went out on loan ........................

But Factually correct

He went on loan with a future purchase option included
whereas the others created much more of a fuss to gain their departures

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Strange, isn't it - other players who want away for one reason or another (Cucurella, Trossard, Sanchez, Caicedo) get a right slating on here. Deniz 'I don't want to be here' Undav gets a free ride.

I think it's probably because Trossard, Cucurella and caicedo were key players for the team. Losing them was a big deal and at the time weakened the squad/team. Them sulking their way out also had a potential negative effect on the team/squad in the short term. In the case of Sanchez, as has been said/raked over plenty of times, it was his refusal to sit on the bench which could have had huge negative ramifications.

In the case of undav, he barely feels like our player. He spent one season in the squad and barely played until the final 8 -10 games of the season. He's then spent the entirety of this season on loan. Therefore his absence doesn't noticeably weaken us like the others would/did. In short we're a lot less invested in Undav than we were in the others and if he's sulking it doesn't have any effect on the rest of the squad.