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[Albion] Deniz Undav **Gone To Stuttgart 09/08/24**
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brighton_tom
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I know we’re probably playing hard ball over the fee, & maybe we’re hoping Hürzeler can persuade him to stay, but I don’t really see the point in retaining a player who doesn’t want to be here when £20m is on the table. Is a potentially unmotivated unhappy Undav going to score lots of Prem goals? I’d think not.
kelvinnewman
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The thing is I don't think the 20 million is on the table, if Stuttgart were prepared to meet the agreed fee then he'd be singed
Baldseagull
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If Stuttgart had come up with the £20M, it might be. We don't know Undav would be unhappy to remain here, just happier to be there.
maresfield seagull
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Apologies if mentioned earlier in this thread
I’m pretty sure I read something along the lines of We May have a buy back clause inserted in the deal that is causing the hold up Or perhaps i imagined it
I’m pretty sure I read something along the lines of We May have a buy back clause inserted in the deal that is causing the hold up Or perhaps i imagined it
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On for Germany!
Not necessarily. Undav could be looking for the job as the pinch hitter ("super-sub") for Bayern. They released Choupo-Moting so they're probably looking for a new man up front. Undav is pretty much exactly the type of player he wants. So it could be about that rather than Stuttgarts potential unwillingness to pay the €20m.
From this morning's BBC Football (Gossip) siteApologies if mentioned earlier in this thread
I’m pretty sure I read something along the lines of We May have a buy back clause inserted in the deal that is causing the hold up Or perhaps i imagined it
Think it’s a clever way of preventing us from losing him too cheaply if his value soared while on loan.
Justice
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Hate to admit it, I’m leaning towards the Simon Jordan take on player contracts. Why are we begging Gross to stay he’s under contract for another season. Likewise with Undav we were good enough to loan you to a German club to play and get into the German squad as was your dream. How about saying thank you very much I’m now going back to my club to help them next season.
Kalimantan Gull
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But if its done before the end of June, isn't that last season, not next season?
The players are humans and if they want to move to their home country or whatever, you try to find solutions because... its the nice and reasonable things to do. If they just want to play in a bigger club, of course we can play hard ball, but when someone perhaps wants a move for personal reasons its all a bit different.
To you he is Gross, to people at the club he'll be Pascal, and if he feels like moving home to Germany for one reason or another we will try to help him with that. Hopefully we can convince him to stay in England but it is what it is.
Baldseagull
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Sometimes a player extends a contract so his club can get a fee, or an improved fee. In Pascals situation it might be he was promised he could leave, if a suitable German club was interested, the contract then is more to be able to get a fee, and prevent a sale to a PL rival perhaps.
However, our situation has changed, so we are asking him to reconsider.
With Undav it seems the club did him a bit of a favour in sending him to Stuttgart, but we did give them an option to buy.
Justice
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I get the moral argument humans sign contracts for all sorts of things in life many of which we can’t just walk away from when we feel like it. I haven’t particularly enjoyed all the projects I’ve worked on and had better offers during the contracted duration. Unfortunately I’ve tied myself in to see out the contract and can only learn from it.
Milano
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No, it really isn't. Modern day prem level footballer is not a 'normal' job, you can't apply the rules of a 'normal' job, even a fairly high paying one. These guys are being paid as if they were top level CxOs. They should try f***ing acting like them (the good ones!!). You have signed a MASSIVE contract, honour it.
Baldseagull
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I don't know if its the reason, but he is already registered at Stuttgart for last season. The transfers of contracted players all happens in the transfer windows, so Ibrahim that we have bought already can't officially go through until this window.
I guess Undav would effectively have 3 transfers if we sold and bought back. End of loan transfer back to us, sell transfer ro Stuttgart, buy transfer back to Brighton. It might be the number of transfers is the problem, rather than the number of clubs.
Nobby Cybergoat
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They change jobs like they change their pants. A bad example
In these situations, I think we'll act like grown ups but also protect our interests. We'll make the player understand, we can't just write off millions of pounds, because they've changed their mind and would like to be somewhere else. But equally, if they are dead set on the move we won't hold someone if the right offer comes in.
Nobby Cybergoat
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The way I understand it, is that all comments in this thread on Deniz's intentions have been inferred haven't they? Has he publicly said he wants to leave? He may have said he was happy on loan and happy in Germany? But that's a different thing from wanting a transfer. It's just as likely a polite thing to say.
He may want to leave. But unless i've missed something, I don't think we know this. More likely this is one of the things that has been said so many times on here it has become true
He may want to leave. But unless i've missed something, I don't think we know this. More likely this is one of the things that has been said so many times on here it has become true