[Football] Delle Alli: Where next?

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Zaha replacement all over his face

Not sure you've read the room on this occasion.

 

[Insel affe]

Not sure you've read the room on this occasion.

I am not even in the same house

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think the Tottenham documentary was very telling, and Mourinho’s words were absolutely correct. He was rolling his eyes, making faces and generally acting the bollocks when one of the most decorated managers in the world was trying to help him.

He struck me as a petulant child and absolutely the last type of personality you want in the dressing room, bringing people down and undermining the management.

He checked out on football mentally a long time ago, and Everton only gave themselves to blame for what has been yet another hugely expensive disastrous signing of an overpaid has-been (they seem to never learn).

I have seen that with people in a bad place. People may reject help, even mock it, when the help offered is not relevant to the underlying problem. Sometimes it is called acting up.

Anyway you posted that before the new interview so perhaps you may now see things differently

 

[Monkey Man]

I hope those who have repeatedly mocked him are ashamed of themselves. If I have contributed to that in any way I will try to give my head a wobble. It is just so easy to be prejudiced, especially when apparently wealthy people with the world at their feet 'go off the rails'.

Spot on. I doubt we'll ever be rid of the more moronic fringe of social media who specialise in abuse and hate talk. But the rest of us need to be careful that we don't contribute to the corrosion. So many people are ready to believe the worst about anybody who finds themselves in the public eye for the wrong reasons. Sometimes there's far more to the story than they realise, and most of the time it's really none of their bleeding business anyway.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am not even in the same house

Apparently.

Are you getting up to speed yet? Lad was sexually abused at the age of six. Eventually it all caught up with him. Classic recent 'acting up' when the type of help offered (by people who knew nothing of his issues) had no relevance to resolving the problem?

Hopefully he can now get the help he needs.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Spot on. I doubt we'll ever be rid of the more moronic fringe of social media who specialise in abuse and hate talk. But the rest of us need to be careful that we don't contribute to the corrosion. So many people are ready to believe the worst about anybody who finds themselves in the public eye for the wrong reasons. Sometimes there's far more to the story than they realise, and most of the time it's really none of their bleeding business anyway.

Precisely.

 

[Insel affe]

Apparently.

Are you getting up to speed yet? Lad was sexually abused at the age of six. Eventually it all caught up with him. Classic recent 'acting up' when the type of help offered (by people who knew nothing of his issues) had no relevance to resolving the problem?

Hopefully he can now get the help he needs.

Ah, I did read that, I just replied to the thread headline as in where he might play next, I did not read the whole thread.
I actually think Palace would be a good fit for him.

As you say terrible back story, and yes you are right, I hope he does get some professional help and can find some peace with himself.
As some of us know, you tend to look internally at abuse and think it is your fault and then actually push the self destruct button, because you think you are either not worthy, low self esteem etc etc.

I wish him well.

 

[Badger Boy]

What a magnificent interview, he chose his interviewer very well. Gary Neville really is an excellent person to speak to, he's open and honest and a fantastic communicator. I particularly loved him taking a moment to show affection when Dele needed it. Brilliant interview and fantastic to hear from Dele, I've been critical of his collapse in form but that's been perfectly fair because it has been a dramatic decline. He wasn't yet ready to tackle his problems or face the situations he's done so well to move away from. He could be a huge asset to Everton next season now he's confronted his issues head on and got a healthier perspective on life. Sean Dyche strikes me as being a good man-manager and there's a little bit about how he's spoken with Dele so far. It's a remarkable story he told, very emotional to listen to and a brilliant interview.

It reminded me a lot of the Diary of a CEO interview with Patrice Evra, when he spoke so openly about similar issues he had as a youngster and only began starting to face up to the issues as an adult. It's amazing the coping mechanisms people can find but keep carrying on with life and in these two cases, became very very successful in an incredibly competitive field.

It further shows that you never know what people are facing or have faced.

 

[Klaas]

What a magnificent interview, he chose his interviewer very well. Gary Neville really is an excellent person to speak to, he's open and honest and a fantastic communicator. I particularly loved him taking a moment to show affection when Dele needed it. Brilliant interview and fantastic to hear from Dele, I've been critical of his collapse in form but that's been perfectly fair because it has been a dramatic decline. He wasn't yet ready to tackle his problems or face the situations he's done so well to move away from. He could be a huge asset to Everton next season now he's confronted his issues head on and got a healthier perspective on life. Sean Dyche strikes me as being a good man-manager and there's a little bit about how he's spoken with Dele so far. It's a remarkable story he told, very emotional to listen to and a brilliant interview.

It reminded me a lot of the Diary of a CEO interview with Patrice Evra, when he spoke so openly about similar issues he had as a youngster and only began starting to face up to the issues as an adult. It's amazing the coping mechanisms people can find but keep carrying on with life and in these two cases, became very very successful in an incredibly competitive field.

It further shows that you never know what people are facing or have faced.

Agree about GN. Always a gobby Man U player to me, but for some reason the Youtube algorithm has stuck a few of his interviews in front of me recently and I made the mistake of clicking on one, which meant more, but, he is a really good interviewer. Much better than he is at football management!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

What a magnificent interview, he chose his interviewer very well. Gary Neville really is an excellent person to speak to, he's open and honest and a fantastic communicator. I particularly loved him taking a moment to show affection when Dele needed it. Brilliant interview and fantastic to hear from Dele, I've been critical of his collapse in form but that's been perfectly fair because it has been a dramatic decline. He wasn't yet ready to tackle his problems or face the situations he's done so well to move away from. He could be a huge asset to Everton next season now he's confronted his issues head on and got a healthier perspective on life. Sean Dyche strikes me as being a good man-manager and there's a little bit about how he's spoken with Dele so far. It's a remarkable story he told, very emotional to listen to and a brilliant interview.

It reminded me a lot of the Diary of a CEO interview with Patrice Evra, when he spoke so openly about similar issues he had as a youngster and only began starting to face up to the issues as an adult. It's amazing the coping mechanisms people can find but keep carrying on with life and in these two cases, became very very successful in an incredibly competitive field.

It further shows that you never know what people are facing or have faced.

We still make value judgements a hundred times a day, every single day tho eh? It's how we try and make sense of the world

 

[Stat Brother]

We still make value judgements a hundred times a day, every single day tho eh? It's how we try and make sense of the world

First we should try and walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

 

[US Seagull]

First we should try and walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

Exactly, because then you'll be a mile away. And you'll have their shoes!

 

[Stat Brother]

Exactly, because then you'll be a mile away. And you'll have their shoes!

Not entirely sure this is the place for one of the world's oldest retorts - but hey you do you.

 

[Badger Boy]

We still make value judgements a hundred times a day, every single day tho eh? It's how we try and make sense of the world

We're only as good as the data set presented to us. I think Dele would be the first to admit that the perception of him hasn't been good and a lot of his behaviours have fed into that, but he now acknowledges there has been a problem and is now in a place where he can address them. I'd love it if he could get himself back into top shape and have a second peak in his career over the next few years - that would be incredible. Ultimately, as football fans in particular we can only go on what we see. What we saw of Chuba Akpom was dreadful but he's had a word with himself and built a really good career. There's nothing stopping Dele from being a Premier League footballer again if he can get the right support around him and be in the right environment. I think Dyche would be an excellent manager for him, but there's only so much any manager could do for him. Mourinho really wanted to get to him, you saw it in the Tottenham documentary - but it wasn't the right time for Dele. Hopefully Dyche has more luck, the boy needs a father figure of a manager to really get the most out of him.

 

[Heart and Soul]

I hope those who have repeatedly mocked him are ashamed of themselves. If I have contributed to that in any way I will try to give my head a wobble. It is just so easy to be prejudiced, especially when apparently wealthy people with the world at their feet 'go off the rails'.

I have probably mocked him. We have definitely mocked some players like Locadia and Connolly (just to mention two) without having any idea of who they are or what they have been through. Dont see it changing.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

We still make value judgements a hundred times a day, every single day tho eh? It's how we try and make sense of the world

Yes. The ability of humans to take a limited amount of information and make a decision is what makes us human. The ability to take a risk.

And the ability to learn from the outcome, and revise our judgements, revise our attitudes, and revise our action plans.

 

[Stat Brother]

We're only as good as the data set presented to us. I think Dele would be the first to admit that the perception of him hasn't been good and a lot of his behaviours have fed into that, but he now acknowledges there has been a problem and is now in a place where he can address them. I'd love it if he could get himself back into top shape and have a second peak in his career over the next few years - that would be incredible. Ultimately, as football fans in particular we can only go on what we see. What we saw of Chuba Akpom was dreadful but he's had a word with himself and built a really good career. There's nothing stopping Dele from being a Premier League footballer again if he can get the right support around him and be in the right environment. I think Dyche would be an excellent manager for him, but there's only so much any manager could do for him. Mourinho really wanted to get to him, you saw it in the Tottenham documentary - but it wasn't the right time for Dele. Hopefully Dyche has more luck, the boy needs a father figure of a manager to really get the most out of him.

No.
We're only as good as the assumptions we choose to make despite the only fact we can guarantee is the simple fact we don't know the whole truth.

 

[Questions]

I hope those who have repeatedly mocked him are ashamed of themselves. If I have contributed to that in any way I will try to give my head a wobble. It is just so easy to be prejudiced, especially when apparently wealthy people with the world at their feet 'go off the rails'.

That’s you on ignore

 

[Doc Lynam]

Clearly been through an awful childhood that’s still impacting him today. Good luck to him.

 

[Milano]

I find this shocking and fair play to him, he must have felt he had to or wanted to get this out in the open.
However, the reaction of fans to what really did look like he was playing like he couldn’t care less was totally understandable IMO.
No one in their right mind would by default think “player x is having a mare, he might have mental health issues” and nor should they, because the vast majority do not, those that do need and deserve help.