[Football] Deeney refuses to return to training

[giveusfalmerplease]

so what happens if the number of cases at clubs goes up and suddenly half the first team at one or more clubs refuse to play..i can well see the season restarting but i wouldnt be surprised if it never finishes....

 

[Blue3]

Yep Germany were/are ahead ..like I said they’ve started playing last weekend ...we’ve started training ..when are you thinking PL are commencing matches it’s going to be some weeks don’t you think?

Don’t disagree with it being busy ...traffic on the roads etc ..still seeing fair number cycling walking ..etc and no doubt more interaction ..but generally from what I see people are doing the distance thing ...not all but then not all were before the slight loosening . So what feeling in do you think should happen that will be taken notice of ...I’m not picking holes just curious

Just watching the Dailey briefing from Downing Street and note that the minister and health officials still stand two meters the only way I can see football starting is penalty shootouts that would be manageable from a safety view point

 

[Icy Gull]

Three people at Watford FC tested positive so I totally get Deeney’s stance on this

 

[Guinness Boy]

Three people at Watford FC tested positive so I totally get Deeney’s stance on this

Three positive tests, Watford below us and Deeney refusing to play and still Brighton are the social media bad boys on this subject

 

[S'hampton Seagull]

I agree with his stance principally because they are more likely to get relegated if he doesn't play. Stick to your guns Troy.

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[Icy Gull]

Three positive tests, Watford below us and Deeney refusing to play and still Brighton are the social media bad boys on this subject

Of course we are, we are the ones GUARANTEED to be going down so we are trying every Dick Dastardly trick in the book to get the season abandoned.

 

[Mr Putdown]

Are they still planning to play loads of games in a short space of time? Like a game every 3 or 4 days for each team?

I may be completely wrong but I recall Sky we’re pushing for a ten game weekend. One on Friday, four on Saturday & Sunday and another on Monday. I can’t recall their midweek options.

 

[Weststander]

Of course we are, we are the ones GUARANTEED to be going down so we are trying every Dick Dastardly trick in the book to get the season abandoned.

You jest.

 

[jessiejames]

I am sure I read that 3 weeks training would be required before the season could restart which could mean football starting in say four weeks, I think that's far to soon not only for the players managment medical staff but more importantly I think it sends out the wrong message to the wrong social groups, it's yet more loosening that supports group activities therefore my view is that this season should be declared over and August should the situation allow would see the start of next season.

More Busy it certainly is just walked my dog at the park I counted six groups of individuals who for all I know all live together but I doubt it.
At the train station stood the station passenger assistance and around him stood seven what I took as his friends all chatting in very close proximity to each other
I would like to see the police out enforcing social distancing at supermarkets train stations and other public places.

Maybe I am wrong and that but today another confirmed 363 individuals died as a direct result of Covid 19 and everyone thinks this is an underreporting and that's still far to many

When the lockdown started, my company had over 400 customers who had shut down there business. from last week, up to yesterday, 284 had reopened. Although more people are out and traffic is heavier on the roads, a lot of companies still don't seem to think it's safe yet.

 

[Blue3]

When the lockdown started, my company had over 400 customers who had shut down there business. from last week, up to yesterday, 284 had reopened. Although more people are out and traffic is heavier on the roads, a lot of companies still don't seem to think it's safe yet.

Yet the FA and government think it's ok for contact sports to restart

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Reputedly on a basic of £65k a week. Bit harsh to say he's spent his life in the lower leagues working his way up. He's been at Watford 10 years, 6 in the championship and 4 in the Prem and he's still only 31.

Got the age wrong as checked with FM and Im in fourth season of a game.

But I did see he wasn't Lionel Messi, four seasons in the prem doesn't make him so and if he's on 65k a week is it his fault?

 

[drew]

Got the age wrong as checked with FM and Im in fourth season of a game.

But I did see he wasn't Lionel Messi, four seasons in the prem doesn't make him so and if he's on 65k a week is it his fault?

Don't think anyone is in the same league as Messi apart from Ronaldo. I agree, it's not his fault he's on £65k, good luck to him. Personally, quite respect Deeney. Made some stupid errors when he was young but turned himself round. Could have moved around to increase his money but he didn't, he stayed at Watford.

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Three people at Watford FC tested positive so I totally get Deeney’s stance on this

Definitely justifies his response (although, having 3 people test positive did not need to). Also, nice to see Watford supporting their players who don’t want to do any contact training by letting them train alone at home.

 

[Pierre the Painter]

Definitely justifies his response (although, having 3 people test positive did not need to). Also, nice to see Watford supporting their players who don’t want to do any contact training by letting them train alone at home.

Doesn't this also justify the testing, they were tested before returning to training so Deeney, or any other stayaway player, wouldn't have come into contact with the 3 who tested positive. Also they're not doing contact training and won't be until next week at the earliest, so far they have only unanimously voted on returning to training with strict protocols and full social distancing, max 70 minutes sessions and 5 players on a pitch at one time, currently it's just about the safest workplace in the country.

 

[Acker79]

Doesn't this also justify the testing, they were tested before returning to training so Deeney, or any other stayaway player, wouldn't have come into contact with the 3 who tested positive. Also they're not doing contact training and won't be until next week at the earliest, so far they have only unanimously voted on returning to training with strict protocols and full social distancing, max 70 minutes sessions and 5 players on a pitch at one time, currently it's just about the safest workplace in the country.

Do we know the set up and process for these tests? Are they each given their own appointment to avoid more than one player in the testing area? Are they wiped down? Is it drive through like at the amex or is every person tested taken into the same room for samples to be taken? Is that room wiped down between tests or could one of the positive testing players have touched something in there that the next person touches?

What happens between taking the test and getting results - how much distancing takes place? Did they get tested and then go stand near each other for a team talk? Troy Deeney is a senior player and club captain, he'd be expected to interact with senior players like Mariappa and various coaching staff.

And the non-contact training is not entirely relevant. There doesn't have to be contact for the virus to be transmitted, hence having to stay the sort of social distances a droplet usually stays in the air (in standard condition, not really accounting for the force with which it's expelled, such as how heavy you're breathing after exercise, wind conditions, etc).

The social distancing has a simplistic 'two metre' rule. Studies have shown when moving at pace (running/sprinting, cycling etc) there is a larger slipstream in which droplets can transfer. Some I've seen put it at upwards of 33 feet (over 10m), so the 'full social distancing' isn't likely to be appropriate in a training setting. Distances need to be increased, but are they?

And of course, all this assume all people strictly adhering to the policies. We've seen lists of players ignoring them, we see people in supermarkets ignoring, on the streets. Players have been penalised with yellow cards for removing their shirts longer than some premier league players have been playing professionally, yet they still take their shirts off to celebrate goals because "it's a natural reaction". That sort of "natural reaction" won't jut go away. We see players and teams bend the rules as far as they can, break them if they can get away with it, for any advantage they can get to win at all costs. Pushing the boundaries of what's permitted in training to give you an extra edge when they get going, especially if they tested negative last week (ignore that they went for a haircut on Saturday, then popped round to a friend's house on the Sunday).

I'd say there are more safer working environments - offices where you can have protective clothing, and perspex shields around work areas to isolate you, where staff numbers have been reduced dramatically by people colleagues working from home, where colleagues aren't running around, spitting on the ground where you might find yourself tripping, or colleagues getting a rush of blood to the head and getting a little closer than they should. I don't mean to sound like I'm suggesting it's the most dangerous place to work, it's obviously not (or shouldn't be IF all the players, coaches, other staff more than fully respect distancing requirements), the testing should identify cases and let you isolate people as soon as you know. But when there is a gap between testing sessions allowing new cases to develop from outside sources and be brought into the group and transmitted due to a false sense of security, it only becomes an early warning sign not a cure or completely preventative measure.

And remember, these tests are day 0 tests. They are reflective of the effectiveness of social isolation, and of not going into training. It's going to be future tests that indicate how safe it is/was to return to training.

 

[Pierre the Painter]

Do we know the set up and process for these tests? Are they each given their own appointment to avoid more than one player in the testing area? Are they wiped down? Is it drive through like at the amex or is every person tested taken into the same room for samples to be taken? Is that room wiped down between tests or could one of the positive testing players have touched something in there that the next person touches?

What happens between taking the test and getting results - how much distancing takes place? Did they get tested and then go stand near each other for a team talk? Troy Deeney is a senior player and club captain, he'd be expected to interact with senior players like Mariappa and various coaching staff.

And the non-contact training is not entirely relevant. There doesn't have to be contact for the virus to be transmitted, hence having to stay the sort of social distances a droplet usually stays in the air (in standard condition, not really accounting for the force with which it's expelled, such as how heavy you're breathing after exercise, wind conditions, etc).

The social distancing has a simplistic 'two metre' rule. Studies have shown when moving at pace (running/sprinting, cycling etc) there is a larger slipstream in which droplets can transfer. Some I've seen put it at upwards of 33 feet (over 10m), so the 'full social distancing' isn't likely to be appropriate in a training setting. Distances need to be increased, but are they?

And of course, all this assume all people strictly adhering to the policies. We've seen lists of players ignoring them, we see people in supermarkets ignoring, on the streets. Players have been penalised with yellow cards for removing their shirts longer than some premier league players have been playing professionally, yet they still take their shirts off to celebrate goals because "it's a natural reaction". That sort of "natural reaction" won't jut go away. We see players and teams bend the rules as far as they can, break them if they can get away with it, for any advantage they can get to win at all costs. Pushing the boundaries of what's permitted in training to give you an extra edge when they get going, especially if they tested negative last week (ignore that they went for a haircut on Saturday, then popped round to a friend's house on the Sunday).

I'd say there are more safer working environments - offices where you can have protective clothing, and perspex shields around work areas to isolate you, where staff numbers have been reduced dramatically by people colleagues working from home, where colleagues aren't running around, spitting on the ground where you might find yourself tripping, or colleagues getting a rush of blood to the head and getting a little closer than they should. I don't mean to sound like I'm suggesting it's the most dangerous place to work, it's obviously not (or shouldn't be IF all the players, coaches, other staff more than fully respect distancing requirements), the testing should identify cases and let you isolate people as soon as you know. But when there is a gap between testing sessions allowing new cases to develop from outside sources and be brought into the group and transmitted due to a false sense of security, it only becomes an early warning sign not a cure or completely preventative measure.

And remember, these tests are day 0 tests. They are reflective of the effectiveness of social isolation, and of not going into training. It's going to be future tests that indicate how safe it is/was to return to training.

They're all very valid points and I understand where you are comnig from but ultimately I stil lthink in perspective the risk, particularly at this stage with socially distanced non contact training with no more than 5 people on the pitch at the same time is incredibly low. If Deeney doesn't feel he can even come back to the training ground with all the protocols in place currently and non contact training in open air then I can't see him playing football again for a long, long time.

 

[drew]

Do we know the set up and process for these tests? Are they each given their own appointment to avoid more than one player in the testing area? Are they wiped down? Is it drive through like at the amex or is every person tested taken into the same room for samples to be taken? Is that room wiped down between tests or could one of the positive testing players have touched something in there that the next person touches?

What happens between taking the test and getting results - how much distancing takes place? Did they get tested and then go stand near each other for a team talk? Troy Deeney is a senior player and club captain, he'd be expected to interact with senior players like Mariappa and various coaching staff.

And the non-contact training is not entirely relevant. There doesn't have to be contact for the virus to be transmitted, hence having to stay the sort of social distances a droplet usually stays in the air (in standard condition, not really accounting for the force with which it's expelled, such as how heavy you're breathing after exercise, wind conditions, etc).

The social distancing has a simplistic 'two metre' rule. Studies have shown when moving at pace (running/sprinting, cycling etc) there is a larger slipstream in which droplets can transfer. Some I've seen put it at upwards of 33 feet (over 10m), so the 'full social distancing' isn't likely to be appropriate in a training setting. Distances need to be increased, but are they?

And of course, all this assume all people strictly adhering to the policies. We've seen lists of players ignoring them, we see people in supermarkets ignoring, on the streets. Players have been penalised with yellow cards for removing their shirts longer than some premier league players have been playing professionally, yet they still take their shirts off to celebrate goals because "it's a natural reaction". That sort of "natural reaction" won't jut go away. We see players and teams bend the rules as far as they can, break them if they can get away with it, for any advantage they can get to win at all costs. Pushing the boundaries of what's permitted in training to give you an extra edge when they get going, especially if they tested negative last week (ignore that they went for a haircut on Saturday, then popped round to a friend's house on the Sunday).

I'd say there are more safer working environments - offices where you can have protective clothing, and perspex shields around work areas to isolate you, where staff numbers have been reduced dramatically by people colleagues working from home, where colleagues aren't running around, spitting on the ground where you might find yourself tripping, or colleagues getting a rush of blood to the head and getting a little closer than they should. I don't mean to sound like I'm suggesting it's the most dangerous place to work, it's obviously not (or shouldn't be IF all the players, coaches, other staff more than fully respect distancing requirements), the testing should identify cases and let you isolate people as soon as you know. But when there is a gap between testing sessions allowing new cases to develop from outside sources and be brought into the group and transmitted due to a false sense of security, it only becomes an early warning sign not a cure or completely preventative measure.

And remember, these tests are day 0 tests. They are reflective of the effectiveness of social isolation, and of not going into training. It's going to be future tests that indicate how safe it is/was to return to training.

I think the main thing is that we've seen professionals completely flout the rules and they are the idiots that have been caught because they've been dumb enough to post it on social media!! What about the players that flout the rules but don't post stuff!

 

[LamieRobertson]

I think the main thing is that we've seen professionals completely flout the rules and they are the idiots that have been caught because they've been dumb enough to post it on social media!! What about the players that flout the rules but don't post stuff!

“Dumb” is quite restrained