[Football] Deeney refuses to return to training

[Beach Seagull]

Sometimes it's "Traffic Warden sees story on Mail Online website................."

Correct as it's a chat forum where you can post things regardless of what you do for a living. If you don't like it do what a couple of the luminaries on here have done and put me on the 'ignore list'.

I'm sorry that I'm not posting links to Guardian and Independent articles (have read some good articles in the Guardian last few days, don't read the Independent) and saying I vote Labour, hate the 'evil Tories' and believe women's football is 'on the rise and hugely entertaining'. We all have different opinions and it doesn't make me a 'moron' and various other insults that have been directed at me (as I said couldn't care less) but find it strange that the oh so tolerant left resort to name calling and become patronising if you dare to disagree with them.

 

[drew]

How much of player, like Deeeney's contract is made up of appearance bonuses, goal bonuses, assist bonuses etc. He is obviously foregoing that so what we are talking about is starting base salary. Now if that's extremely high and makes the bonuses irrelevant then perhaps the agents and clubs need to look at themselves.

Far too easy to blame the player and we are talking about Troy Deeney here, not Lionel Messi. Someone who has spent most of his career in the lower leagues and came up from the bottom.

But just for argument's sake:

Scenario 1 - Deeney goes back to work because his contract says so and three weeks later his son dies (god forbid). How many people will blame him for spending time in a crowded six yard box with idiots like Odoi?

Scenario 2 - He doesnt go back to work. He gets docked his salary. he gets blackballed, when he complains he is doing the right thing.. His career is over at 34... who wants an ageing player like that?

I truly hope neither scenario happens.

Reputedly on a basic of £65k a week. Bit harsh to say he's spent his life in the lower leagues working his way up. He's been at Watford 10 years, 6 in the championship and 4 in the Prem and he's still only 31.

 

[GT49er]

There is no prospect of him losing wages for this. He'll insist on being paid that whole amount. If he doesn't get it, it will end up on court and he'll win. Watford won't want to end his contract because of his value.

In which case my sympathy with his and-point goes straight out of the window. If he goes and wins a successful court case, my respect will have gone too.

Not that that will make a scrap of difference, of course. My view won't change though.

 

[drew]

According to a talksport discussion with Simon Jordan and others last night, the likes of Rose and Deeney will expect full pay for not turning up and may well be backed in employment law. For as many months and years remaining in their contract, as they please.

Through simply saying that football is not a 100% safe (from covid19) working environment.

If that’s the case, could 30 million others could take the same route? How can any working environment be proven 100% covid19 safe?

Trouble is we aren't hearing the full story. Deeney has said that questions have been raised by players but that they haven't been given answers. In his situation, you can understand that. Being one of five hundred EPL players gives them a bit more bargaining strength than being in a workforce of several thousand. When Jordan was discussing this, was he doing it from the same studio as the hosts or was he doing it from the sanctity of his own home?

 

[Weststander]

In which case my sympathy with his and-point goes straight out of the window. If he goes and wins a successful court case, my respect will have gone too.

Not that that will make a scrap of difference, of course. My view won't change though.

The argument will be that Deeney has a mortgage and bills to pay too. Buying his latest home would’ve been budgeted on his £3.4m annual earnings.

Wonder if he’ll become a national hero for taking on the alleged greed of the 20 PL club owners?

 

[drew]

In which case my sympathy with his and-point goes straight out of the window. If he goes and wins a successful court case, my respect will have gone too.

Not that that will make a scrap of difference, of course. My view won't change though.

Can't see there being a court case. Deeney signed a 5 year contract and is only in the first year of that as I understand it. He is an asset on the club books so Watford aren't going to cut off their nose to spite their face just for the sake of possibly a few months.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I completely agree with his stance. I want football back as much, if not more, than everyone else. But I think he has to do what is right for his family and specifically his son. He doesn't want to take the risk, that's his choice. He'll have a problem when the matches resume because he's going to want to play but if he chooses not to there shouldn't be any ramifications. I think players should be within their rights to refuse to return and then it's up to the club to determine if there should be a financial penalty.

This.

 

[LamieRobertson]

This.

Bumps

 

[Weststander]

Trouble is we aren't hearing the full story. Deeney has said that questions have been raised by players but that they haven't been given answers. In his situation, you can understand that. Being one of five hundred EPL players gives them a bit more bargaining strength than being in a workforce of several thousand. When Jordan was discussing this, was he doing it from the same studio as the hosts or was he doing it from the sanctity of his own home?

In fairness to Jordan he didn’t seem to be slagging off Deeney at all, he was giving a genuine assessment as an ex-employer that Deeney, Muzza and Rose would in his opinion have a strong case to say to Watford, Brighton and Newcastle .... you haven’t provided a covid19 free working environment, I’m feel unsafe coming to work. Jordan indicated that full pay would be insisted upon.

It was the sports writers who felt that the full pay bit might not sit right with football fans.

Incidentally, they were talking about nest season too. Without a vaccine, those three players could refuse to go to work for a very long time. On full pay.

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Fair play to Deeney if I was in the same position I would do the same.

 

[Blue3]

The Governments handling of the easing of restrictions has been shambolic we need to just slow down a little I went for my weekly shop yesterday Holmbush Tesco it was totaly manic no absolutely no social distancing almost no one following directional arrows, if my experience is the normal across the Country since the easing of restrictions then two or three weeks from now we will see a sharp rise in new cases.

This unlocking needs to be slowed and social distancing enforced and in the first waves only essential buissness opened up Football is not one of those. Germany is several weeks ahead of the U.K. Regarding the virus and has restarted its season but Germanys response to the virus was very different to ours, individual footballers have to make decisions based upon their personal circumstances

 

[Weststander]

The Governments handling of the easing of restrictions has been shambolic we need to just slow down a little I went for my weekly shop yesterday Holmbush Tesco it was totaly manic no absolutely no social distancing almost no one following directional arrows, if my experience is the normal across the Country since the easing of restrictions then two or three weeks from now we will see a sharp rise in new cases.

This unlocking needs to be slowed and social distancing enforced and in the first waves only essential buissness opened up Football is not one of those. Germany is several weeks ahead of the U.K. Regarding the virus and has restarted its season but Germanys response to the virus was very different to ours, individual footballers have to make decisions based upon their personal circumstances

You’re lucky that Tesco’s in store arrows were abided by in the first place.

At Sainsbury’s and Waitrose Hove, these were ignored throughout. Everyone including me going down which aisles we pleased, but more often than not allowing others to pass if we could at maximum distance.

 

[LamieRobertson]

The Governments handling of the easing of restrictions has been shambolic we need to just slow down a little I went for my weekly shop yesterday Holmbush Tesco it was totaly manic no absolutely no social distancing almost no one following directional arrows, if my experience is the normal across the Country since the easing of restrictions then two or three weeks from now we will see a sharp rise in new cases.

This unlocking needs to be slowed and social distancing enforced and in the first waves only essential buissness opened up Football is not one of those. Germany is several weeks ahead of the U.K. Regarding the virus and has restarted its season but Germanys response to the virus was very different to ours, individual footballers have to make decisions based upon their personal circumstances

How would you enforce social distancing?

We are weeks behind Germany ...our football isn’t coming back for a month or more?
We’ve only slackened off a little ...can you come up with other solutions? Essential businesses were already opened up .....load still aren’t ....nothing is different how Tescos are operating to before the easing of those restrictions.

 

[LamieRobertson]

You’re lucky that Tesco’s in store arrows were abided by in the first place.

At Sainsbury’s and Waitrose Hove, these were ignored throughout. Everyone including me going down which aisles we pleased, but more often than not allowing others to pass if we could at maximum distance.

..I take it that its been like that for a while?

 

[drew]

In fairness to Jordan he didn’t seem to be slagging off Deeney at all, he was giving a genuine assessment as an ex-employer that Deeney, Muzza and Rose would in his opinion have a strong case to say to Watford, Brighton and Newcastle .... you haven’t provided a covid19 free working environment, I’m feel unsafe coming to work. Jordan indicated that full pay would be insisted upon.

It was the sports writers who felt that the full pay bit might not sit right with football fans.

Incidentally, they were talking about nest season too. Without a vaccine, those three players could refuse to go to work for a very long time. On full pay.

Ok, well that's fair enough. Sports writers have their bias as they've got bugger all to write about at the moment.

 

[Saunders]

Deeney has said he doesnt care if he isnt paid. By the averages a player or one of their family will die from this comeback. When that happens I would like to think some of the media will have a big humble cake to eat hah who am I kidding! Many key workers are already taking much more of a risk and wont be tested every time they and their co workers go into work but then they arent millionaires. He could decamp to a hotel or rented accom but then he wont be able to hold his son again until a vaccine is found.

 

[clapham_gull]

By the averages a player or one of their family will die from this comeback..

That isn't true, but I fully support Deeney.

 

[Beach Seagull]

Corrected for you.

Absolutely deafening silence to:

Why is my height and occupation 'pure gold' to you? Is it acceptable to laugh at someone who is not very tall? I bet you are a great advocate of 'mental health awareness week' and yet you find it 'gold' that I'm way below average height? Don't you see that mocking me for it could lead me to have mental health issues? Why is my occupation 'gold' to you? Looking down your nose at me as I don't have a well paid occupation? I thought you as a Socialist would sympathise with the 'low waged' but clearly not.

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm very confused why footballers are being compared to key workers.

I'm paid more than a nurse or someone in a supermarket but am sitting very comfortably at home, still being paid and ok thank you.

It's a false analogy comparing the job of a footballer to most jobs anyway, because we aren't judged on our performance over 90 minutes once a week.

However, because of the economics of clubs the players would have looked better agreeing a pay cut.

Others in high paid jobs in other industries have done the same.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Deeney has said he doesnt care if he isnt paid. By the averages a player or one of their family will die from this comeback. When that happens I would like to think some of the media will have a big humble cake to eat hah who am I kidding! Many key workers are already taking much more of a risk and wont be tested every time they and their co workers go into work but then they arent millionaires. He could decamp to a hotel or rented accom but then he wont be able to hold his son again until a vaccine is found.

How do you make that out?