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[Albion] De Zerbi was NOT “sacked”



Green Cross Code Man

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Mar 30, 2006
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Wish I would have seen this tactical genius at Luton , bmuff , Rome.

If he was such a tactical genius why were we getting pounded most matches in the second half of the season? And barely even creating chances with a poor defence ?

Overrated charlatan.
Um, don't really like him then? :ROFLMAO:

Personally I think that's a bit harsh.
 




elwheelio

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Jan 24, 2006
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David Ornstein has said that RDZ was someone who could be very difficult to work with behind the scenes. He also suggested some of RDZ's demands were seen as excessive for someone with his relative lack of success and experience. I'm not sure whether that relates to transfers or control in other areas but Ornstein's take suggests the club wasn't disappointed to call it a day.
 




Worried Man Blues

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I hope he gets a job in the PL so we can see what he gets up to at the next club, should be interesting to see how it pans out.
 


Flounce

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David Ornstein has said that RDZ was someone who could be very difficult to work with behind the scenes. He also suggested some of RDZ's demands were seen as excessive for someone with his relative lack of success and experience. I'm not sure whether that relates to transfers or control in other areas but Ornstein's take suggests the club wasn't disappointed to call it a day.
Good interview seeing as it was recorded on the day RDZ parted company with us and he didn’t get much wrong did he? Apologies if posted already, I hadn’t seen it.

 






Sarisbury Seagull

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I found it interesting that a couple of weeks ago on the Guardian Football Weekly podcast, Italian aficionado Nicky Bandini stated that despite a number of big Italian clubs looking for managers, there had been virtually zero speculation about RDZ returning. She suggested that there was some scepticism about him, as his Sassuolo team could score goals but also ship "unnecessary" goals - something that hadn't been dispelled by his time at Brighton. She reckoned he wasn't viewed as highly in Italy as he has been in England in the last 18 months or so.
Yep that is true. They have always had a distrust of him and his coaching methods/tactics as it’s so alien to the accepted Italian way of playing and he went his own way rather than following the standard path.

If you listen to the way some of the old Italian players and managers who became pundits talk about him, they can be quite scathing.
 


Kosh

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I think De Zerbi will end up in Greece, Portugal or something like that. If lucky, win a domestic cup.
Yeah, I’m not convinced he’ll ever manage a club considered to be genuinely big on the world stage… I see him as a coach more likely to manage big clubs in b list countries (see Ukraine) such as Greece, Belgium… Turkey… he might return to Italy but not to one of the huge traditional clubs…

He’s too tempestuous, explosive to stay anywhere long enough too… the evidence is already written all over his CV. This will have the biggest impact on his fortunes moving forwards, he may have blown it a little bit by sulking and making a fuss at a ‘liberal’ club like ours… it’d take a bit of a maverick owner to take him on… therein lies the rub, a relationship like that wouldn’t work for long as they’d doubtless fall out and clash…

It’s going to be very interesting where RDZ rocks up next… my bet - Somewhere a bit random.
 
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Tom Hark Preston Park

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Yeah, I’m not convinced he’ll ever manage a club considered to be genuinely big on the world stage… I see him as a coach more likely to manage big clubs in b list countries (see Ukraine) such as Greece, Belgium… Turkey… he might return to Italy but not to one of the huge traditional clubs…

He’s too tempestuous, explosive to stay anywhere long enough too… the evidence is already written all over his CV. This will have the biggest impact on his fortunes moving forwards, he may have blown it a little bit by sulking and making a fuss at a ‘liberal’ club like ours… it’d take a bit of a maverick owner to take him on… therein lies the rub, a relationship like that wouldn’t work for long as they’d doubtless fall out snd clash…

It’s going to be very interesting where RDZ rocks up next… my bet - Somewhere a bit random.
St Pauli will hopefully have a vacancy soon :thumbsup:
 


dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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Makes sense, the three clubs from Athens and PAOK up north may have the money it takes to make him happy.
Really ? They have nowhere near EPL money ? We played AEK last season and their squad seemed to be full of cheap plodders. Their best player looked about 10kg overweight.
 






Swegulls

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Really ? They have nowhere near EPL money ? We played AEK last season and their squad seemed to be full of cheap plodders. Their best player looked about 10kg overweight.
I don't really know who owns those clubs at the moment but they historically used to find some money, somewhere. On the other hand it seems like there's always been problems for players to get their money on payday, a bit like in Turkey.

I didn't think they were crap though, Almeyda did a good job there at AEK.

Edit: Well, it's only (sort of) Saudi that can compete with EPL money, isn't it?
 


dwayne

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I don't really know who owns those clubs at the moment but they historically used to find some money, somewhere. On the other hand it seems like there's always been problems for players to get their money on payday, a bit like in Turkey.

I didn't think they were crap though, Almeyda did a good job there at AEK.
Agreed. They had a wage bill a quarter of ours and the genius RDZ got beat at home and outplayed away !
 




raymondo

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Yep that is true. They have always had a distrust of him and his coaching methods/tactics as it’s so alien to the accepted Italian way of playing and he went his own way rather than following the standard path.

If you listen to the way some of the old Italian players and managers who became pundits talk about him, they can be quite scathing.
Shipping goals is not very popular in Italy
 




Greg Bobkin

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Fair enough. Personally, I’m not convinced. I wonder if he will get a top job?
That's my main thought too. He'll be happy if he had unlimited (in realtive terms) funds, but those jobs are few and far between. I always said that, if he kicked on last season, he would take over from Pep after next season, but I've changed my mind.

He has to learn, adapt to match scenarios better and/or become less stubborn in his approach to games. I'm sure he will – he's only young and he would've learnt a lot in his time at Brighton, but there's no doubt that he's a 'work in progress'. Where that progress could lead, who knows? But a lot of it will be up to him.
 


Paulie Gualtieri

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Probably fair to say his methods were divisive and some could handle it and others not so much.

He strikes me as someone who won’t compromise and wouldn’t accept subordination on the training pitch.

I suspect the younger squad got the “feedback” more than the senior members.

I suspect it wasn’t personal, just a desire to “gee up” some that he thought could better themselves, but some people more so these days don’t like that and that’s fine.

As an aside shouldn’t we be blaming Barber some how, in his multi faceted role of HR Partner?
 




Herr Tubthumper

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That's my main thought too. He'll be happy if he had unlimited (in realtive terms) funds, but those jobs are few and far between. I always said that, if he kicked on last season, he would take over from Pep after next season, but I've changed my mind.

He has to learn, adapt to match scenarios better and/or become less stubborn in his approach to games. I'm sure he will – he's only young and he would've learnt a lot in his time at Brighton, but there's no doubt that he's a 'work in progress'. Where that progress could lead, who knows? But a lot of it will be up to him.
I totally agree with this. Something he said at the end of last season is that he is what he is, this is him and he cannot change. I guess his stubborness and single-mindedness has got him this far, but he will need to adapt to progress further imho. The worry is that he feels 'his way' has got him success and will not change. We'll see.
 


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Demanding perfection manager has heated exchanges with players about tactics & performance… shocker! 😂 Pep does it on the pitch after every game. Bit of an exaggeration to start labelling RDZ a bully etc.
We have other highly driven perfectionists in the club. PBOBE will famously reply to emails at all times of day and in great detail to set out how a decision is for the best of the club.

You don’t get to be a billionaire without working almost constantly. TB demands very high standards at the football club and his other businesses and, when crossed (e.g. Benham) is not to be messed with.

No one would have them any other way and yet here people are trying to retrospectively “fix” someone they hired :shrug:
 


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