[Football] David Coote

[dazzer6666]

Plus expenses, plus food night before and day of game… accommodation etc. It’s not a bad gig at all.

Spoke to Mike Dean at breakfast before we played Leeds. It was a crap breakfast in a cheap hotel

 

[RandyWanger]

I'm sure the boys club will give him a nice golden handshake and it'll all go away quietly

 

[rippleman]

There is a great podcast out there with former ref Kevin Lynch. Here he is admitting to not giving fouls against Ian Wright because he was being awkward to referee. Obviously the difference is he's long retired now, but you can guarantee every referee has turned a blind eye to something or given something they shouldn't have done because a player has been a bit of a dick at some point.

Nope. I don't recall ever giving / not giving a decsion against a player or club just because of my personal feelings about a player or a club.

Bent club linos are a different matter though. I would tell them before the game that if I caught them cheating once, I wouldn't take another flag from them all game.

This thread reminded me of the following:

Player: Oi ref! What would you do if I said you were a c*nt?
Ref: Red card. You'd be off
Player: What if I thought you were a c*nt?
Ref: Well then I couldn't do anything
Player: Ok. In that case I think you are a c*nt!

I was reffing for a fiver plus expenses. These guys are on well over £100K PA (plus chauffeur driven cars and decent accommodation) and they need to keep their gobs shut.

 

[oldboyroy]

Plus expenses, plus food night before and day of game… accommodation etc. It’s not a bad gig at all.

They get looked after apart from the Amex(food wise)

 

[RandyWanger]

Someone's used the power of the internet and found the grass and outed him.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Someone's used the power of the internet and found the grass and outed him.

Seems a bit pointless.
Coote was stupid enough to be recorded.
I heard it was 4 years ago,
If so, he's been lucky it's stayed quiet for so long

 

[jcdenton08]

Will go abroad to referee probably.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Will go abroad to referee probably.

Germany?

 

[METALMICKY]

Seems a bit pointless.
Coote was stupid enough to be recorded.
I heard it was 4 years ago,
If so, he's been lucky it's stayed quiet for so long

Begs the question why's it come out now? Somebody needed a pay day on the assumption that it wasn't leaked for nothing?

 

[London Irish]

Seriously though , the issue here isn't what he thinks, it's that he has said it out loud. Knows he shouldn't and could have been open to bribery etc.

There is also the issue of when this was filmed and why it's out now.

It's right to be investigated

Why does it need a big investigation? He can be clearly seen on film saying don't release it. He's been stitched up by a prick. Making it the biggest news in football rewards the behaviour of sneaky pricks. There is zero public interest here in releasing this footage, no bigotry just private venting against someone he had a row with, totally human reactions.

The world has gone mad making a big deal of it.

It should just be a slap on the wrist and told to be more careful next time about the company he keeps. Maybe keep him away from Liverpool games in future to stop their whiny minority whingeing, similar to how they sometimes will keep officials away from local areas they are from. He'll probably get some shit from crowds for a few games before everyone forgets and moves on to the next media manufactured non-story.

For me, there is a much bigger issue here. It's time we took a big stand against stuff like this, everyone should be allowed a private sphere as an individual. None of us should have to behave like politicians watching our words at every moment in our lives, it's a ridiculous feature of modern life. I'd like to think whether you are on the right or the left, this is one thing we could all agree on

 

[rippleman]

That is crazy, to put it in context in the NFL the starting ref gets $204,000 a year for 18 games. The PL should really ask itself where they choose to invest. I double checked- they make £70k a year including retainer, or about half. If they want the best, like with the players, perhaps they should pay more? Of course £70k is not a bad salary, but they are at the top of the pyramid and put up with far more sh@t than most of us…

You know, I'm not sure that is the case. Park and lower league refs are far more in the firing line. The abuse is much closer and therefore more personal. You don't have stewards and police to protect you (and often not even impartial linos) and you don't get a chauffeur driven car home or to a hotel after.

 

[ROSM]

Why does it need a big investigation? He can be clearly seen on film saying don't release it. He's been stitched up by a prick. Making it the biggest news in football rewards the behaviour of sneaky pricks. There is zero public interest here in releasing this footage, no bigotry just private venting against someone he had a row with, totally human reactions.

The world has gone mad making a big deal of it.

It should just be a slap on the wrist and told to be more careful next time about the company he keeps. Maybe keep him away from Liverpool games in future to stop their whiny minority whingeing, similar to how they sometimes will keep officials away from local areas they are from. He'll probably get some shit from crowds for a few games before everyone forgets and moves on to the next media manufactured non-story.

For me, there is a much bigger issue here. It's time we took a big stand against stuff like this, everyone should be allowed a private sphere as an individual. None of us should have to behave like politicians watching our words at every moment in our lives, it's a ridiculous feature of modern life. I'd like to think whether you are on the right or the left, this is one thing we could all agree on

Even though the derogatory term was accompanied by referencing his nationality?

 

[London Irish]

Even though the derogatory term was accompanied by referencing his nationality?

Absolutely lame.

A fantastic example of how vapid identity politics is used to create imagined grievance

 

[ROSM]

Absolutely lame.

A fantastic example of how vapid identity politics is used to create imagined grievance

But he works in a sport where he knows that they have rules around that. He breached those rules.

You take the kings shilling, you abide by the kings rules.

It's not vapid or identity politics. Rules are there to protect everybody. He has breached those. He has shown an error of judgement in a sport where good judgement is a key attribute

 

[Mackenzie]

Coote was really foolish. What a daft way to ruin a career.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Why does it need a big investigation? He can be clearly seen on film saying don't release it. He's been stitched up by a prick. Making it the biggest news in football rewards the behaviour of sneaky pricks. There is zero public interest here in releasing this footage, no bigotry just private venting against someone he had a row with, totally human reactions.

The world has gone mad making a big deal of it.

It should just be a slap on the wrist and told to be more careful next time about the company he keeps. Maybe keep him away from Liverpool games in future to stop their whiny minority whingeing, similar to how they sometimes will keep officials away from local areas they are from. He'll probably get some shit from crowds for a few games before everyone forgets and moves on to the next media manufactured non-story.

For me, there is a much bigger issue here. It's time we took a big stand against stuff like this, everyone should be allowed a private sphere as an individual. None of us should have to behave like politicians watching our words at every moment in our lives, it's a ridiculous feature of modern life. I'd like to think whether you are on the right or the left, this is one thing we could all agree on

We live in an era now where technology is improving and the faking of videos or manipulation of existing videos to change the contents is becoming easier and more convincing. (Deepfakes)
Maybe they simply need to more cautious, make sure it's actually all completely genuine before taking action.

 

[jcdenton08]

Why does it need a big investigation?

Employment law.

They have to schedule an interview with him, make sure he has access (if requested) to legal advice, or union representation at his investigation interview. He has been suspended on the prima facie evidence, so what’s the rush?

He has a right to reply and give his side of the story and/or offer mitigation for his actions/words, and an instant dismissal without investigation is extremely uncommon due to potential legal repercussions. If dismissed, he then has a right to appeal.

This isn’t an unusual situation in an employment sense.

 

[London Irish]

But he works in a sport where he knows that they have rules around that. He breached those rules.

You take the kings shilling, you abide by the kings rules.

It's not vapid or identity politics. Rules are there to protect everybody. He has breached those. He has shown an error of judgement in a sport where good judgement is a key attribute

Just the worst parody of HR managerial babble - you are just not approaching this with any degree of common sense, which is often what happens when a dumb story takes off and everyone feels they have to put their oar in. This whole thing is none of your business and it's none of mine.

The little toerag who leaked this is laughing his head off at you and everyone else biting

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Employment law.

They have to schedule an interview with him, make sure he has access (if requested) to legal advice, or union representation at his investigation interview. He has been suspended on the prima facie evidence, so what’s the rush?

He has a right to reply and give his side of the story and/or offer mitigation for his actions/words, and an instant dismissal without investigation is extremely uncommon due to potential legal repercussions. If dismissed, he then has a right to appeal.

This isn’t an unusual situation in an employment sense.

When @London Irish asked "Why the need for a big investigation?", he didn't mean 'why don't they just go ahead and sack him?'.

He meant 'Does this really need to be taken so seriously? - ie. the guy has made a stupid mistake, and should apologise, have a sit on the naughty step, then get on with his career, while everyone remains grown up about it all.

I sympathise with that position actually - whilst understanding why there's not a chance it can happen.

 

[Not Spanish Dave]

I wonder if Jurgen has ever called a referee's integrity into question........maybe it's ok if he has (big 6 and all that)