Das Reich info please

[El Presidente]

To repeat then what I said earlier (with apologies to everybody else for bouncing this again). My point was you quoted my post, and then edited it to try and prove that sambo is the same as ******. It isn't. Today in 21st century Britain ****** is only ever used with racist connontations and sambo isn't. And I really haven't met anybody called Nigel who likes to be called '******' for short, but I have met a few Sambos. Are you with me now? Of course if you personally find it offensive and wish to force a name change being a mod that is your privilige.

I wasn't trying to prove anything, just being tongue in cheek as usual.

As for Sambo perhaps it's a generational thing, but I associate it with the following

Sambo is a racial term for a person with mixed Amerindian and African heritage (see zambo) and can also be used less specifically for a black person in the United States and the United Kingdom. It is considered a racial slur.

In American animation in the 1930s and 1940s, the use of "Sambo" imagery was common in all the major animation houses. The scenes which show such imagery have either been cut from their respective cartoons, or the cartoons have been banned altogether. The image that is usually associated with the "Sambo" is that of a happy-go-lucky, clueless, head-scratching black man. The voice is usually high and the syntax elementary. Bill Robinson made the image popular by acting in popular movies such as Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm and The Littlest Rebel. They are always very chipper and willing to go on any adventure. In contrast, the Sambo image is self satirized in the character Jim from The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, where Jim is ultimately revealed to be one of the few honorable adult characters in the book.

In Japan, the "Sambo" depiction of people of African ancestry is still used in newspaper cartoons, manga, video games, anime and public service announcements. As late as 2004, a pamphlet informing about earthquake safety procedures was produced in darky iconographical style. After complaints, the pamphlet was redrawn.

 

[KneeOn]

I must confess I'm not sure what your original point was.

The only way that the mods can be consistent is it we are automotans, or a Borg (as per Star Trek) like creature, which we're not.

Even at mod towers we have disagreements, but keep them in house, and there is a gentleman's agreement that we will not comment on or reverse decisions made by other mods.

Our views are diverse as those of the rest of NSC on a number of issues, such as which is best Take That or Boyzone? Glenn Murray, misunderstood Berbatov of League 1 or lazy bastard? What's better, a soapy titwank or a reacharound? etc.

I can't stand Das Reich, and was ITCHING to find a reason for him to be kicked out of NSC for a long long time. We took the view that the use of a name linked to the Waffen SS was unpleasant, but not in itself justification of a banning, as otherwise should the same extend to a name such as Joy Division, again with Nazi connotations.

As for Sambo, I associate it with tedious chucklesome shitcom Love They Neighbour from the 1970's

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Sexism surely!? What about female mods? Do they exsist? i've a mind to report you.

 

[El Presidente]

Sexism surely!? What about female mods? Do they exsist? i've a mind to report you.

Ros is female, and Hitony dresses in his wife's underwear every Thursday night.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Are we the only football forum in the UK with a transvestite mod ?

 

[Brovion]

I wasn't trying to prove anything, just being tongue in cheek as usual.

As for Sambo perhaps it's a generational thing, but I associate it with the following *waffle*

Exactly. It CAN have racist connotations, but it CAN be used in other contexts as well. ****** on the other hand cannot. Not today. Are you going to ban words such as Mec or Stan which also can be used as derogatory racist terms? As you said earlier the name 'Das Reich' itself is unpleasant but not offensive (although personally I think it's the most offensive user name ever registered on NSC by a factor of ten), but you let it pass. Instead you forced someone to change their name because SOME people MAY have though it had racist connotations. However as I said to FDM's Gloves it's your board and your rules and your value judgements that hold sway. All I can do is moan.

PS - There's another user called 'Sooty the thief'. How come he's got away with it? 'Sooty' is a term of racial abuse as well as a glove puppet.

 

[El Presidente]

Instead you forced someone to change their name

I can't remember the exact details but I can't FORCE anyone to do anything to be honest.

because SOME people MAY have though it had racist connotations.

Can I also point out that NSC was closed down last year because someone made a complaint to the police about racist postings on the board. At the time we made it very clear that any postings with any racist connotations would be deleted and bans would be handed out. Das Reich and some of the other full time bigots who post on here were subsequently banned for testing the limits of our patience.

Given that you were presumably aware of this, then the use of the word Sambo was presumably seen in the same light of the above, but I would reiterate we cannot FORCE you to do anything. But surely, given that you are aware of the common use of the world Sambo and it's racist connotations, then perhaps it wasn't the most diplomatic thing to do.

All I can do is moan.

And we don't stop you

 

[El Presidente]

Are we the only football forum in the UK with a transvestite mod ?

I think you will find that Andy the mod on Hartlepool's board is known as Alice every third week.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

It's a bit pathetic to try to use a name which "might" have connotations - it's a bit like when you were at school and you called out rude words in class because you thought it made you look clever and anti-establishment - whereas now you know (or you should know) that it makes you look like a juvenile twat trying to look clever. It's like trying to use the name "Paki" and saying that it's only short for Pakistan where you have a relative and anyway, you like the cricket. You might as well be shouting "willy" to get attention. Time to grow up?

Anyway, Sambo is a Russian Combat Style.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I think you will find that Andy the mod on Hartlepool's board is known as Alice every third week.

For the purposes of record keeping (and being a nosy twat), who are the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender members of the Mod Group? Do we have proportional ethnic representation as well?

 

[El Presidente]

For the purposes of record keeping (and being a nosy twat), who are the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender members of the Mod Group? Do we have proportional ethnic representation as well?

I can quite happily prove my gay credentials

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Don't fancy yours much....

 

[El Presidente]

Don't fancy yours much....

At my age I can't be too fussy

 

[Brovion]

It's a bit pathetic to try to use a name which "might" have connotations - it's a bit like when you were at school and you called out rude words in class because you thought it made you look clever and anti-establishment - whereas now you know (or you should know) that it makes you look like a juvenile twat trying to look clever. It's like trying to use the name "Paki" and saying that it's only short for Pakistan where you have a relative and anyway, you like the cricket. You might as well be shouting "willy" to get attention. Time to grow up?

Anyway, Sambo is a Russian Combat Style.

Agreed, but I think that 'Paki' like '******' can only ever be taken one way; which isn't the case with 'Sambo'. And thanks for supplying yet another, non-racist definition, btw, it does kinda prove my point that the word has many meanings and it's a tad presumptions for anyone to automatically say "'Sambo? That's racist!" How and why have we (Britain that is, not just the mods on NSC) become so intolerant and judgmental? (I'm not expecting an answer, that's a whole different topic in itself!)

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

To be honest, using Sambo as a name is a bit naive - implying that you are a Russian Fighting Style or a sandwich is probably not your first aim!

If you called yourself Pedo File then you could probably argue that you were not trying to be a paedophile but a tool for removing the rough soil from your feet....

 

[Paxton Dazo]

I don't get why your complaining then? You're point about Mods being selective is irrelevent on their forum. Its up to them.

Why don't you go a little bit further up their arses. Go on. I dare ya.

 

[Brovion]

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Can I also point out that NSC was closed down last year because someone made a complaint to the police about racist postings on the board. At the time we made it very clear that any postings with any racist connotations would be deleted and bans would be handed out. Das Reich and some of the other full time bigots who post on here were subsequently banned for testing the limits of our patience.

Given that you were presumably aware of this, then the use of the word Sambo was presumably seen in the same light of the above, but I would reiterate we cannot FORCE you to do anything. But surely, given that you are aware of the common use of the world Sambo and it's racist connotations, then perhaps it wasn't the most diplomatic thing to do.

Actually the 'Sambo' thing happened quite a while before the threats to NSC and its temporary closure.

Re the closedown, I also remember Bozza saying that any racist reference, even as a 'joke' wouldn't be tolerated. And yet you made a 'tongue in cheek' reference to niggers with the hilarious view that '******' could be a diminutive of Nigel ...

To be honest, using Sambo as a name is a bit naive - implying that you are a Russian Fighting Style or a sandwich is probably not your first aim!

If you called yourself Pedo File then you could probably argue that you were not trying to be a paedophile but a tool for removing the rough soil from your feet....

The lad that used it said it was his nickname and didn't realise it was going to cause offence. I personally believed him, I used to go out with a girl who called her brother 'Sambo' (and also rather irritatingly used to call me 'Timbo'). Obviously he could have been a sneering neo-nazi revelling in the fact he'd managed to register an offensive name, but honestly I doubt it. Now we're back to the issue of judgementalism.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Nigel is a derogatory term to describe a Palace supporter and shouldn't be associated with the word N*****.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Sticks and stones may break my bones...

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Exactly. It CAN have racist connotations.......

.....and therefor is best avoided. Simples.

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

Sticks and stones may break my bones...

...but racist words can close this board down