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[Albion] Dan Ashworth joins Newcastle
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The Fits
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- Jun 29, 2020
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Thing is, does DA need to go now? Loads of people saying, rightly, it would be an amazing project. And obviously the financial reward would be huge. But he is young. And his reputation is only going to improve.
Right now, Newcastle are a mess. Not just in terms of the PR around their owners. There’s still no real evidence they will stay up. They don’t seem to have any sensible transfer plan for the next few days.
DA seems like a pretty pragmatic chap. I suspect if there’s any truth in this it’s actually a really tough decision for him.
Right now, Newcastle are a mess. Not just in terms of the PR around their owners. There’s still no real evidence they will stay up. They don’t seem to have any sensible transfer plan for the next few days.
DA seems like a pretty pragmatic chap. I suspect if there’s any truth in this it’s actually a really tough decision for him.
Dick Swiveller
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- Sep 9, 2011
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Is it, though? Not sure they are going for the Brighton model of buying young, promising players and developing them. They will almost certainly try and carry on with their scattergun approach of throwing money at established players. Is that an amazing project? Or money for old rope? I get the money side of it but fairly sure I could take the job and tell them to buy Biss. Not sure where the challenge is which is what I thought attracted him to us.
el punal
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Indeed. This could be a huge gamble for Ashworth should he go. He is currently at a well run, upwardly mobile club with a sound infrastructure and, now, reaping the rewards for his endeavours. To leave that for a “bigger” club with arguably no sound structure or positive plan in place, with very dodgy, devious owners and a very strong likelihood of being relegated does not auger well. The challenge would be immense, even with unlimited funds. The questions that should be asked are how much support will he have and how much time will he be given? His will be a long term project - and if the owners want short term results - what then?
dejavuatbtn
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I’d like to think that the management team at the Albion would want to see the project through before moving on with a complete CV.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
A huge severance package and he walks into another job?
His only problem is if he starts being seen as a mercenary and clubs may be wary of that, to drop our “project” (awful term) half way through is a bit of a shit move IMO, but then that might just be me, I like to see things through to completion.
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Aside from avoiding relegation, I don't think there will be overly aggressive short-term aims. It's not as though they've been bought by a loose-cannon billionaire as a plaything - it's an investment fund with (seemingly) 2 main aims. 1) Invest oil money to diversify the Saudi income streams in the medium-long term and 2) Sport wash their international reputation.
Neither of those things requires an instant payback and an established investment fund such as they are isn't going to make knee-jerk decisions, whereas a crazy billionaire would be more likely to be in a hurry for their plaything to give them the fun and kudos they want.
It took Man City years of investment to achieve what they've done and I would imagine that's the more likely approach Newcastle will take.
Someone like Dan Ashworth as Director of Football would be tasked with putting in a lot of the sound infrastructure, so I can see it being part of the attraction to take the job (the others being eye-watering sums of cash both to earn and spend). He'd need to see the potential to have a good working relationship with whoever would manage him (Stavely?), but other than that he'd have the power to change a lot of the things that are seen as potential problems.
The moral argument is totally separate, but I'd suggest he wouldn't need to talk to them to work out whether or not he is opposed to the ownership on moral grounds, so if he is talking to them, he has already made his call on that specific issue (or is at least curious to know how much filthy lucre they might offer to assuage his moral objections).
FWIW, I really hope he stays but I don't see it being a sure thing. I wouldn't expect it to derail our progress if he did go either - just an opportunity for someone else to step into a very well-supported role in a stable structure and every chance for them to make it a success.
- Jul 6, 2011
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We are assuming he would get a big increase in salary but would it really be such a huge increase as to dispel any misgivings he may have? Leaving aside the dubious actions of the owners there is still how enjoyable the job would be. How much autonomy would he have to do his job? How much trust will be placed in him and how much trust could he have in the owners/directors to back him? The role at Newcastle will not be the same as his current one, it isn't like he is a mechanic choosing between two garages to work for or an accountant picking an accountancy firm. He could find himself a smaller fish in a bigger pond and hate the experience. Would he be happy playing at the politics involved?
If he goes there it will either mean they don't appear as basket case to him as they seem to be to the outside world or they really have thrown some serious money at him.
If he goes there it will either mean they don't appear as basket case to him as they seem to be to the outside world or they really have thrown some serious money at him.
Not Andy Naylor
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Albion know that everyone will be assuming that and have put the message out to a number of media that no link should be made between Weir's appointment and any other negotiations that may be taking place.
On the iNews suggestion about Brighton sources expecting Ashworth to go, that reads like a complete bluff to me.
Not Andy Naylor
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Interesting idea. Newcastle have about 10 vacancies for competent footballers, which are advertised almost every time they play. I wonder if players at other clubs have been applying?
Good rhetorical question. Of course I don't know how much money DA is currently earning but you can be sure it will be a handsome amount. Given the state of NU and the extremely dubious behaviour of its odious mega-rich owners, it surely isn't a foregone conclusion for people with integrity to simply take the money.... but maybe that's me being naive.
cjd
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He may be waiting to see how many decent players Newcastle can get over the line before the window closes. If Newcastle get relegated it will be a wasted year recruitment wise.
Isn't that what their agents effectivity do for them already ?
He probably can - but it's one of those things - the richer people get, the richer they want to be, the more important even more money becomes to them. If I'd had a couple of million pounds when I was fifty it would have been like all my dreams came true and I'd happily retire. If on the other hand, I'd been earning a couple of million every year I'd probably have felt it was desperately important to change that to three or four million a year.
So do you feel disgusted that we did a deal with Chelsea for Lampty, or do you think who the owners are has nothing to do with buying or selling players between the clubs.
At what point is it ‘seen through’ though ? It doesn’t have an end date or ultimate target….it’s continual evolution and development. Top ten ? Top ten 2 seasons? 3 seasons ? Europa league ? Every season will see new objectives set.
If Ashworth decides to grab the blood-soiled Riyals, Tony will simply put someone in his place to continue the good work. No drama.