[Albion] Dan Ashworth joins Newcastle

[Nathan]

The flip side is we don't know how Ashworth is employed right? Is he on a contract? So well within his rights to look at options for the end of his current contract (End of the season?)

Do Newcastle even have a proper CEO yet?

Think it has been reported that DA is on a rolling contract of 12 months, meaning every day is the start of a 12 month contract. Newcastle would need to pay us money if they want him.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The flip side is we don't know how Ashworth is employed right? Is he on a contract? So well within his rights to look at options for the end of his current contract (End of the season?)

If he's on a standard employment contract he can walk any time as long as he serves his notice or if Brighton are prepared to release him from his notice period (presumably in return for some compensation). Notice could be 6 months to 1 year for a role at this level. Unlikely to be more. Can't see Brighton getting in his way if he has decided to go, and relative to his value to the club, any compensation will be chicken feed.

As for why it is taking its time (if indeed it is)? At this stage he may have said that he agrees to join them in principle. That's the point when the details start getting thrashed out. He'll want assurances about the scope of the role, the degree of autonomy, the infrastructure being created around him, budgets (unlimited) etc. There's a hell of a lot to get sorted before he'd sign on the dotted.

 

[Commander]

I would hazard a guess that DA is already comfortable and set up for life. I would suggest the reason TB employed him is that he knows that the project is more important than the reward. If you're already set for life the project is even more important. For most of us mere mortals, get a 3x pay rise is important.

I highly doubt that. How much money would he need to be set up for life? He's only 50 years old so would need millions and millions in the bank to be set up for life. I bet he would laugh his head off at that suggestion.

 

[Greavsey]

The flip side is we don't know how Ashworth is employed right? Is he on a contract? So well within his rights to look at options for the end of his current contract (End of the season?)

Do Newcastle even have a proper CEO yet?

Think I read in the Athletic that he is on a rolling contract.

 

[Commander]

I think he'll go, and I understand why. I get that it's money from a horrendous regime, but football is a grubby business. He is a Technical Director and his job is to work to improve footballers, and if this job genuinely will involve him working to improve some of the best footballers in the world, then why wouldn't he take it? It's not like there are many jobs available to him to work with the best players in the world where the money comes from nice, friendly, sustainable sources, are there? I think it's different for a job like his to a playing role, where there are any number of big clubs you could go to.

I think I'd go, personally.

 

[The red pepper kid]

Smug Eddie coming back to haunt us yet again !!

well did anyone see Rafael Benetiz interview after the Everton game - as he spoke about players the club wanted to bring in !
He didnt say ones he wanted- but the club was deciding which players they were going to add .
Doubtful Eddie is allowed any say what so ever on who comes in

 

[rogersix]

Same man who said his job was to keep the manager here for as long as possible a few months before we fired CH

maybe he did keep him here as long as possible?

 

[schmunk]

Think it has been reported that DA is on a rolling contract of 12 months, meaning every day is the start of a 12 month contract. Newcastle would need to pay us money if they want him.

That doesn't make sense at all. Far more likely that it means it's just a 12 month fixed-term contract which is assumed to repeat until one party gives notice.

 

[B-right-on]

According to today’s Argus preliminary talks have started but it could “drag on” with no further developments as yet. Ashworth “lining up” his ducks?

Looks like he’ll be going imo

I wonder if TB has given him a time frame to make a decision

https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/19824725.newcastle-pursuit-dan-ashworth-take-time/

To me it looks like he'll go after the Jan transfer window. TB will want to get in the players he's been working on for Jan and then he can go. There is not a definite no in the article, more of a waiting for the right time to go, imo like.

 

[Greavsey]

I think he'll go, and I understand why. I get that it's money from a horrendous regime, but football is a grubby business. He is a Technical Director and his job is to work to improve footballers, and if this job genuinely will involve him working to improve some of the best footballers in the world, then why wouldn't he take it? It's not like there are many jobs available to him to work with the best players in the world where the money comes from nice, friendly, sustainable sources, are there? I think it's different for a job like his to a playing role, where there are any number of big clubs you could go to.

I think I'd go, personally.

I agree, I think he'll go. Personally as part of the divorce I hope we can get some sort of legally binding agreement that he doesn't come back and try and take Potter, Lamptey, Biss etc

 

[Bold Seagull]

I agree, I think he'll go. Personally as part of the divorce I hope we can get some sort of legally binding agreement that he doesn't come back and try and take Potter, Lamptey, Biss etc

He can’t expect to get the house, car AND the kids!!

 

[Commander]

I agree, I think he'll go. Personally as part of the divorce I hope we can get some sort of legally binding agreement that he doesn't come back and try and take Potter, Lamptey, Biss etc

Not sure how it works in football but in plenty of other industries you'd have a no-poaching clause in your contract already as part of your restrictive covenants. Presumably that could be extended as part of the negotiations. That said, nobody should be approaching our players without the agreement of the club anyway, so we would only have to let players or management go to them if we were happy with the fee.

 

[dazzer6666]

That doesn't make sense at all. Far more likely that it means it's just a 12 month fixed-term contract which is assumed to repeat until one party gives notice.

12 month rolling contracts are really common, particularly with senior people - if it was as you suggest the employer would be exposed to people leaving at little/no notice towards the end of the FTC expiry. Having 12 month rolling contracts also limits potential redundancy/exit payments from the employer's perspective.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Not sure how it works in football but in plenty of other industries you'd have a no-poaching clause in your contract already as part of your restrictive covenants. Presumably that could be extended as part of the negotiations. That said, nobody should be approaching our players without the agreement of the club anyway, so we would only have to let players or management go to them if we were happy with the fee.

Agreed. It is a complete none starter as Ashworth would be making an approach on behalf of NUFC, so any restriction would be between NUFC and BHAFC, which as you've pointed out would be a waste of time because we already have the power to refuse another club speaking to our players (unless in the last months of their contract) under FA rules. This would otherwise surely come up every time a manager moves clubs - how would transfer system even work if you ended up with adhoc restrictions between clubs. You got it right, we can just tell them to sling their hook if they want to speak to our players.

 

[Audax]

Having 12 month rolling contracts also limits potential redundancy/exit payments from the employer's perspective.

That might be out of date? There's been a fair bit of tightening of the rules in terms of what rights those on timed contracts have vs those on permanent. IIRC once you go beyond 12 months with the same employer, your rights are pretty much the same. I know for example the old trick of employing people on 12 mth FTC, then giving them a 2 week window before re-hiring on a new 12 mth FTC with a restarted timer on employment rights loophole has been closed a good many years ago.

 

[dazzer6666]

That might be out of date? There's been a fair bit of tightening of the rules in terms of what rights those on timed contracts have vs those on permanent. IIRC once you go beyond 12 months with the same employer, your rights are pretty much the same. I know for example the old trick of employing people on 12 mth FTC, then giving them a 2 week window before re-hiring on a new 12 mth FTC with a restarted timer on employment rights loophole has been closed a good many years ago.

Obviously depends on the clauses.....all of the ones I've seen/used were tailored to some degree.

 

[WATFORD zero]

That might be out of date? There's been a fair bit of tightening of the rules in terms of what rights those on timed contracts have vs those on permanent. IIRC once you go beyond 12 months with the same employer, your rights are pretty much the same. I know for example the old trick of employing people on 12 mth FTC, then giving them a 2 week window before re-hiring on a new 12 mth FTC with a restarted timer on employment rights loophole has been closed a good many years ago.

FTC and rolling contracts are very different and tend to be targeted at very different people, although you're right about the tightening of rules on employers who used to use the FTC 'loopholes'

As someone mentioned earlier, a rolling contract is effectively 'a new 12 month contract every day'. It's basically an agreement that at the point you agree to go your separate ways you get paid a year's salary. (I have never worked a notice period on a rolling contract and as far as I remember, never known anyone who has).

 

[Lower West Stander]

https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/19824725.newcastle-pursuit-dan-ashworth-take-time/

To me it looks like he'll go after the Jan transfer window. TB will want to get in the players he's been working on for Jan and then he can go. There is not a definite no in the article, more of a waiting for the right time to go, imo like.

Why would you want him targeting players during the January transfer window with the players fully in the knowledge he'll be leaving? And where is his motivation for doing that if he's going to a competitor?

More likely to be gardening leave imho.

 

[schmunk]

12 month rolling contracts are really common, particularly with senior people - if it was as you suggest the employer would be exposed to people leaving at little/no notice towards the end of the FTC expiry. Having 12 month rolling contracts also limits potential redundancy/exit payments from the employer's perspective.

That's not a "rolling contract" then, it's just a standard employment contract with a 12 month notice period.

 

[schmunk]

IIRC once you go beyond 12 months with the same employer, your rights are pretty much the same.

24 months, but it only takes a 1 calendar week break of service to reset - as anyone who's moved from contactor to permanent employee may have had imposed on them.