[Albion] Dan Ashworth - Is he the problem?

[Not Andy Naylor]

For those that want rid, I am still keen to understand what the alternative in, like you say at a modern day Premier League club

The only alternative is a different person in the post, not a change in the job description.

One of the technical director's duties is to provide continuity of coaching so that the club's teams play in the style required by the owner or board no matter who the head coach is. Without it you risk complete upheaval at every change of coach. So when Potter is poached by Barcelona, Ashworth will presumably have a list of possible replacements that (I hope) includes Liam Rosenior and Ralf Rangnick but not Harry Redknapp or Tony Pulis.

 

[Springal]

The only alternative is a different person in the post, not a change in the job description.

One of the technical director's duties is to provide continuity of coaching so that the club's teams play in the style required by the owner or board no matter who the head coach is. Without it you risk complete upheaval at every change of coach. So when Potter is poached by Barcelona, Ashworth will presumably have a list of possible replacements that (I hope) includes Liam Rosenior and Ralf Rangnick but not Harry Redknapp or Tony Pulis.

That is my view to - however there seem to be people that want the role scrapped completely, but I don't understand how that could or would work

 

[NooBHA]

Brilliant post [emoji123]

Totally agree this is good forward thinking from the club. In the old method, you’d bin the manager and then have to rebuild everything from scratch. I think we’re aiming to be at the point where we can be an Ajax. And replace the head coach and still retain the entire structure and philosophy of the football club.

Replace " Ajax " with " Watford " in your post and it takes on a whole new context.

 

[vagabond]

Replace " Ajax " with " Watford " in your post and it takes on a whole new context.

Exactly. Hence why we shouldn’t be knee jerk and fire GP just because we’re on a bad run...

 

[NooBHA]

Exactly. Hence why we shouldn’t be knee jerk and fire GP just because we’re on a bad run...

But the whole basis of your previous post was that it doesn't matter whether he goes or stays because there will be a conveyor belt of them available and so long as they fit the plan or agenda then it doesn't matter who the figure head is ?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The truth is none of us on the outside can see clearly enough what Ashworth actually does to see whether he's doing it well or not, be able to apportion any blame.

You may as well start a thread blaming the physio

Someone will be along soon to do just that, I'm certain.

I see there is a thread critiquing last night's team selection. Two games in 48 hours . . . .I watch a lot of football on TV and it's only Wolves who aren't making 4-6 changes in every starting line up. I liked the line up.

Some of our supporters have their heads stuck in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Ranting about finding 'your best eleven' and 'sticking with it'.

The futile pursuit of (what was once described on NSC as) an escape goat.

Barber OUT! Ashworth OUT!! Kitman OUT!!!

 

[Icy Gull]

Someone will be along soon to do just that, I'm certain.

I see there is a thread critiquing last night's team selection. Two games in 48 hours . . . .I watch a lot of football on TV and it's only Wolves who aren't making 4-6 changes in every starting line up. I liked the line up.

Some of our supporters have their heads stuck in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Ranting about finding 'your best eleven' and 'sticking with it'.

The futile pursuit of (what was once described on NSC as) an escape goat.

Barber OUT! Ashworth OUT!! Kitman OUT!!!

Well it’s clearly someone’s fault and we need to find the culprit quickly as we sleepwalk to relegation. PL ready my arse

I am blaming Potter for rotating the squad and not making the A team play three games in a week. The clueless git

 

[dejavuatbtn]

I don't like the role at all and I think it did for Hughton. I've worked a lot in senior management and change or new positions at that level tend to unsettle the incumbent.

That said, I agree it is Tony's (current) vision so not much will change.

Positioning yourself at "the centre of the wheel" is another way of not taking responsibility, which is a bit shit when the story doing the rounds is that Ashworth recommended Potter to TB after the Swansea / Man City cup game.

Have to agree. My experience of management was that over the years there were too many senior managers picking up smart arse ideas from self appointed experts at great cost. This left managers at the sharp end spending most of their time not using their own expertise or initiative but spending their time box ticking.

 

[Icy Gull]

Have to agree. My experience of management was that over the years there were too many senior managers picking up smart arse ideas from self appointed experts at great cost. This left managers at the sharp end spending most of their time not using their own expertise or initiative but spending their time box ticking.

Do you REALLY believe that Potter is a “yes man” because if you do you and [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] are not paying attention, just imo

Your experiences doesn’t mean that they are Potters. He very definitely seems to be his own man to me. The fact that TB won’t spend 40 million on players is probably completely accepted and he is working within that remit..in his own way

 

[Questions]

So was Hyppia's appointment, I love the guy but he's not infallible

Bloom has made plenty of mistakes since he took over. He will know though as to whether his vision and plan is being carried out by his team....It’s a question of time scale. Maybe he’ll wait a month but if we carry on failing you wouldn’t fancy Potters chances would you ?

 

[NooBHA]

Have to agree. My experience of management was that over the years there were too many senior managers picking up smart arse ideas from self appointed experts at great cost. This left managers at the sharp end spending most of their time not using their own expertise or initiative but spending their time box ticking.

I agree. A lot of it is " a load of old tosh " . During this Covid Lockdown my firm brought in several of these on line speakers and as with everything these days they have to give feedback.

Mine was always the same. " A load of old nonsense paying thousands of £s to state the obvious"

They might as well have been teaching me how to put a piece of bread in a toaster and claimed that Toast is the latest culinary delight.

All I got from any of it was the Credits needed to keep my Professional Qualifications up to date.

 

[blue-shifted]

Someone will be along soon to do just that, I'm certain.

I see there is a thread critiquing last night's team selection. Two games in 48 hours . . . .I watch a lot of football on TV and it's only Wolves who aren't making 4-6 changes in every starting line up. I liked the line up.

Some of our supporters have their heads stuck in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Ranting about finding 'your best eleven' and 'sticking with it'.

The futile pursuit of (what was once described on NSC as) an escape goat.

Barber OUT! Ashworth OUT!! Kitman OUT!!!

Hmm but other teams have pursued that strategy this season and other seasons. I'm sure Villa have largely kept the same team

It carries greater risk of burn out and injury, but does increase your chances of a result in the short term.

These are two different strategies with different pro's and con's.

If we win at Wolves, we can say it didn't go badly. If we lose, (to a team who haven't rested players) it looks like a bit of a disaster

 

[Nobby]

What absolute nonsense. How is it possibly being proved now!? We got our highest ever points tally last year and we’re currently out of the relegation zone and regularly using academy players that Hughton ignored (which must have seriously pissed Bloom off after he spent millions and millions on it).

We’re not great at the moment and questions are rightly being asked of Potter, but to say sacking Hughton has been proved to be one of our biggest ever mistakes is absolutely laughable.

What did you expect Hughton to do last year and so far this season? What evidence is there that our league position would have been any better? Hughton who is currently managing a team 4th from bottom in the Championship, remember.

Oh that’s right. And when he came to us he was managing a team fourth from bottom in the Championship, remember

I didn’t say we would have been any better, I said it would probably have been the same, so why did we sack him?

 

[Nobby]

Potter hasn’t got us relegated - FACT

Potter retained £250m revenue for the club - FACT

Potter achieved our highest PL position - FACT

You have no proof Ashworth had anything to do with CH performance or his sacking.

You just have your own opinion which has no substance or actual facts.

I’m sorry. You asked for facts I gave you some

Potter hasn’ retained £250m yet so that isn’t a fact

 

[blockhseagull]

I’m sorry. You asked for facts I gave you some

Potter hasn’ retained £250m yet so that isn’t a fact

You gave zero facts to back up your statement that sacking CH was a mistake.

You gave some of CH achievement granted, but they don’t prove that sacking him was a mistake OR that Ashworth had anything to do with it.

Also maybe compare how much CH spent as manager and compare it to the money spent by Potter.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Keep seeing the 'highest points tally' drivel on here. We got 2 points more than our first season in the Prem with our most expensive squad ever, a 3 month break in the middle of the season to reboot after a spell of being shite/winless run, no crowds levelling up the whole division, and 5 subs to work with.

It was a decent enough finish but from the way it's spun you'd think it was a brilliant/phenomenal achievement from one of the greatest managers of all time.

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[Hampster Gull]

I agree. A lot of it is " a load of old tosh " . During this Covid Lockdown my firm brought in several of these on line speakers and as with everything these days they have to give feedback.

Mine was always the same. " A load of old nonsense paying thousands of £s to state the obvious"

They might as well have been teaching me how to put a piece of bread in a toaster and claimed that Toast is the latest culinary delight.

All I got from any of it was the Credits needed to keep my Professional Qualifications up to date.

 

[neilbard]

You gave zero facts to back up your statement that sacking CH was a mistake.

You gave some of CH achievement granted, but they don’t prove that sacking him was a mistake OR that Ashworth had anything to do with it.

Also maybe compare how much CH spent as manager and compare it to the money spent by Potter.

Neither Potter nor Hughton spent that money, you would be naive to believe that Ashworth had nothing to do with outing Hughton, the club wanted something new and inspiring.

 

[albionalex]

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes to make a judgement if Dan Ashworth is a/the problem.

What I will say, is that he's very good at PR.

 

[NooBHA]

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LOL. - Is that a " head hunting " technique ?