It is quite frankly mind boggling that people are willing to accept that cannabis use is such a bad thing. There are risks with all drugs. Cannabis is the safest by a mile. You have more chance of dying, taking two Paracetamol for a headache. It's all relative and this sensationalist stance is just ludicrous.
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DailyMail: Cause of Death - Cannabis
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daveinprague
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When an 'alleged' cannabis death makes headline news, it sort of puts it into perspective doesnt it?
dougdeep
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But most people only believe the opinion that suits them. It's what humans do. Mustafa on this thread said he knows better than a coroner.
brightn'ove
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Exactly, what is to say that a cup of coffee couldn't have caused the same heart attack, it would be more likely that the cannabis was a trigger rather than the cause.
- Aug 7, 2003
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To become a Coroner in England and Wales the applicant must have a degree in a medical or legal field, e.g., criminology or bio-medical sciences. Coroners must have had a previous career, in the UK, as a lawyer (solicitor/barrister) or physician of at least five years standing. This reflects the role of a Coroner: to determine the cause of death of a deceased in cases where the death was sudden, unexpected, occurred abroad, was suspicious in any way, or happened while the person was under the control of central authority. The Coroner, in this instance, delivered a verdict, and that verdict was based on expert medical evidence. End of.
brightn'ove
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- Aug 7, 2003
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And the Pathologist as well?
Pathologist Dr Kudair Hussein told the inquest in Bournemouth there were ‘moderate to heavy’ levels of cannabis-related chemicals in her blood.
Bournemouth coroner Mr Sheriff Payne asked Dr Hussein: ‘You are satisfied it was the effects of cannabis that caused her death?’ Dr Hussein replied: ‘Yes sir.’
Nibble
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- Jan 3, 2007
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Of course the Daily Mail are going to dig up any negative story they can find. Millions die form alcohol abuse every year they don't call for that to be banned. They do sometimes call for the price to be raised so that poor people and the youth can't drink it but because Daily Mail readers like a nice malt while wearing gilets and hating the world.
For the record I don't think smoking cannabis has any particular long term benefits and it probably will do your nut in after a while. It will likely give you cancer too so the claims that it reduces tumours? I am very sceptical of that claim. In fact I'm calling bullshit on that one.
For the record I don't think smoking cannabis has any particular long term benefits and it probably will do your nut in after a while. It will likely give you cancer too so the claims that it reduces tumours? I am very sceptical of that claim. In fact I'm calling bullshit on that one.
Icy Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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My only comment on this is that the grass sold since the late 90's onwards is much much stronger than the hash that was around in the 70's. Smoking cannabis resin and grass in those days had a much more mellow effect imo. Haven't touched the stuff in over 10 years though 
daveinprague
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I would imagine, that after over 30 years of smoking grass...id have quite a bit of cannabis related chemicals in my blood, but passed medical last year with flying colours...
Is the issue here the cannabis in the womans blood, or her physical condition in the first place?
Its a bit of a coincidence, that after a state in the US legalizes it....a person....either the first or second in recorded history, dies of 'cannabis'.
Is the issue here the cannabis in the womans blood, or her physical condition in the first place?
Its a bit of a coincidence, that after a state in the US legalizes it....a person....either the first or second in recorded history, dies of 'cannabis'.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Extremely dangerous thinking. Winnie Langley smoked for 95 years and only gave up when she couldn't see the end of the match
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...after-puffing-on-cigarettes-for-95-years.html
On the other hand, my grandad died at the age of 56 because of smoking. Just because you're okay doesn't make smoking cannabis safe.
Before cancer was known about, no-one died from cancer, it was put down to other reasons and then as more was known about cancer the number of people identified as cancer victims increased. Clearly the science is new in comparison to studies into smoking tobacco and it may be that cannabis could be more harmful in the long-term than first thought because the symptoms were attributed to other reasons. I'm not saying that it is dangerous but I definitely wouldn't say it is safe generally because you have passed a medical.
daveinprague
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I seriously believe its the person, rather the the drug of choice...drink, grass, whatever...
Not all people can drink
Not all people can smoke
Not all people can take things like xtc.
Some people die of bee stings...some people die from peanuts...
Ive known one person who became mentally ill, whilst smoking grass...whether grass was the cause, well, I doubt it...
Like I say, I belive its down to the individuals constitution as to what that person can safely consume and what they cant..
Not all people can drink
Not all people can smoke
Not all people can take things like xtc.
Some people die of bee stings...some people die from peanuts...
Ive known one person who became mentally ill, whilst smoking grass...whether grass was the cause, well, I doubt it...
Like I say, I belive its down to the individuals constitution as to what that person can safely consume and what they cant..
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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So...by that logic cigarettes, alcohol and hard drugs are as dangerous or as benign as cannabis. Of course it's different for each person but that doesn't mean the potential harm should be dismissed merely as a by-product of the individual's constitution.
daveinprague
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Pretty much yes... I believe that...especially where cannabis is concerned.
There is 'potential' harm with anything we consume really.
There have been deaths from drink...many more have not died.
there have been two recorded deaths from cannabis...many more have not died.
There have been a few deaths relating to XTC...many more have not died..
None of them are particularly good for you... but you could say that about butter and cream as well...chlorestorol kills...
Personally, im glad I smoke grass rather than drink, as drunk people are particularly dangerous, and I dont feel that vibe
with people smoking grass...
A freak death, IF due to Cannabis, will be treated by me as a 'freak' death..
and this issue is a freak death.
There is 'potential' harm with anything we consume really.
There have been deaths from drink...many more have not died.
there have been two recorded deaths from cannabis...many more have not died.
There have been a few deaths relating to XTC...many more have not died..
None of them are particularly good for you... but you could say that about butter and cream as well...chlorestorol kills...
Personally, im glad I smoke grass rather than drink, as drunk people are particularly dangerous, and I dont feel that vibe
with people smoking grass...
A freak death, IF due to Cannabis, will be treated by me as a 'freak' death..
and this issue is a freak death.
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Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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but..but..take smoking. Yes, some people live a long and happy life, others don't but the long-term effects of smoking tobacco are indisputably bad. Effects of long-term cannabis use are not well-known at the moment although there does seem to be a strong link to psychosis - not surprising really as cannabis is a mood-altering drug. I've got no beef with anyone who wants to smoke weed but to claim that there are no inherent bad effects or risks is extremely dangerous thinking. You're a willing user so not looking at it either objectively or with a scientist's eyes.
dougdeep
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This post proves my earlier point. People just choose to believe the opinion that suits their philosophy. It can't do you any good so why not stop?
daveinprague
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Im not saying there are no bad effects or risks...for some people, certain substances that they consume are really not good for them...thats how it is...
but im going to go with percentages here..... there have been two supposedly cannabis related recorded deaths.....two
People have been studying Cannabis for decades now, its not a new thing, and there are going to be some studies saying its lethal, and some saying its ok..
For me, and everybody I know, its been a positive experience, with no ill effects.
Like I said earlier, a friend developed mental illness, but would be a tough case to prove it was cannabis that caused it.
oh yeah, and this was in the Mail ;-D
but im going to go with percentages here..... there have been two supposedly cannabis related recorded deaths.....two
People have been studying Cannabis for decades now, its not a new thing, and there are going to be some studies saying its lethal, and some saying its ok..
For me, and everybody I know, its been a positive experience, with no ill effects.
Like I said earlier, a friend developed mental illness, but would be a tough case to prove it was cannabis that caused it.
oh yeah, and this was in the Mail ;-D
daveinprague
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Doesnt do me any good? I love being stoned.
Why dont people stop drinking? They enjoy it.
Why dont people stop smoking cigs? They enjoy it.
Why dont people stop smoking cannabis? They enjoy it.
Of course it suits my philosophy, but the evidence is well and truly on my side at this moment in time.
Ive lived in Holland, working in technical positions, and everybody I was working with tended to be smokers.
Ive lived here for almost 9 years, most of the people in our group at work smoke grass.
Its a vice, that im prepared to take the risk with.
dougdeep
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Some experts say that there is no such thing as mental illness. But people just believe what suits their lifestyle and reduces their feelings of guilt.
The neighbour may be lying.
Not always obvious. Not even after microscopic examination of the heart valves.