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Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
Comfortably Numb by Floyd bt Scissor Sisters :jester:
Wild Thing by the Troggs bt Hendrix
Mr Tambourine Man by Dylan bt by the Byrds
I wanna be your man by the Beatles bt by the Stones
 




Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Grendel said:
Personally I think he makes himself look an idiot with his rabid hatred of anything "commercial" - commercial being music that more than 7 people like. He epitomises the sad kid at school who wants every small-time band to be their own little secret. In the unlikely event that said band makes it big, they invariably tell everyone how much better they were in 1999 when they played to 4 people in the toilets of the Pav Tav and charged you £5 for a couple of home recordings on cassette.

But maybe that's just me.

If you actually understood what "commercial" in dance music meant, you'd realise how much of an git you're making yourself out to be.

You can be non-commercial and sell out a 90,000 capacity arena, however you can be commercial shit and end up playing to 5 people in a dive club somewhere every weekend and have the highlight of your year being a few nights on the decks in some shithole in Ibiza.

"Commercial" doesn't refer to the popularity, or sucess, of the artist(s) - it refers to the music itself. Both Scooter and DJ Sammy, as well as countless other dance artists produce pure, unadulterated commercial shit. Its produced to sell, thats all. Wheter it actually sells well or not is entirely unconnected (thankfully)
 


Stinky Kat

Tripping
Oct 27, 2004
3,382
Catsfield
The Clash version of

Police and thieves slightly better than Junior Murvin
 


Grendel

New member
Jul 28, 2005
3,251
Seaford
MYOB said:
If you actually understood what "commercial" in dance music meant, you'd realise how much of an git you're making yourself out to be.

You can be non-commercial and sell out a 90,000 capacity arena, however you can be commercial shit and end up playing to 5 people in a dive club somewhere every weekend and have the highlight of your year being a few nights on the decks in some shithole in Ibiza.

"Commercial" doesn't refer to the popularity, or sucess, of the artist(s) - it refers to the music itself. Both Scooter and DJ Sammy, as well as countless other dance artists produce pure, unadulterated commercial shit. Its produced to sell, thats all. Wheter it actually sells well or not is entirely unconnected (thankfully)

I could come out with snide comments about your understanding and living in peat bogs, but I won't.

Virtually all modern music is produced to sell. If people didn't want other people to listen to their music, they wouldn't release records in the first place. Saying that whether something is commercial or not is unconnected to how well it sells is absolute rubbish. If that held true, Autechre, Einsturzende Neubaten and Cannibal Corpse would be massive. If you've sold out a 90,000 arena, the fact is that you have become commercial.

By the way, why do you like New Order? Technique is one of the most commercial electronic records I've heard.
 


Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Grendel said:
I could come out with snide comments about your understanding and living in peat bogs, but I won't.

Even though they'd be entirely unconnected with the topic, in any slight way? I live in a city, BTW.

Grendel said:
Virtually all modern music is produced to sell. If people didn't want other people to listen to their music, they wouldn't release records in the first place. Saying that whether something is commercial or not is unconnected to how well it sells is absolute rubbish. If that held true, Autechre, Einsturzende Neubaten and Cannibal Corpse would be massive. If you've sold out a 90,000 arena, the fact is that you have become commercial.
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There is a difference between released to sell enough to cover costs and keep the artists in mercedes until the next album and released to sell 5M+ units to gullible 14 year olds who've just discovered a type of music.

Also, there are huge, huge amounts of music created with no intention of even breaking even on costs, including some of the best dance around. Theres also white-label setups where once the labels costs are covered, very little else is cared about.

In dance music, "Commercial" means more than pure sales. If you don't want to understand that its not worth continuing, but stuff like Scooter and DJ Sammy is commercial shit, and barely deserves to be called dance music.

Grendel said:
By the way, why do you like New Order? Technique is one of the most commercial electronic records I've heard. [/B]

They were broke, and its actually good music, so f*** it. They have another 7 albums, none of which are dance and some of which are barely electronic.

Scooter have 14 albums and about two songs that aren't drivel. In significantly less time in existance. They are effectively a shit music factory.
 




Eric Potts

Well-known member
Jul 26, 2004
1,873
Top o' Hanover
Originally posted by Eric Potts
Madonna - American Pie BT Don McLean
Paul Young -Love Will Tear Us Apart BT Joy Division
Deportivo Seagull said:
Nurseeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Just putting the cat amongst the pigeons , to see who'd take the bait :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:
 


Grendel

New member
Jul 28, 2005
3,251
Seaford
MYOB said:
Even though they'd be entirely unconnected with the topic, in any slight way? I live in a city, BTW.
You mean like your "you're a git who doesn't know what they're on about" comment was, then?

In dance music, "Commercial" means more than pure sales. If you don't want to understand that its not worth continuing, but stuff like Scooter and DJ Sammy is commercial shit, and barely deserves to be called dance music.
I understand what "commercial" means perfectly well. It's no different in any other form of music. What irritates me is that your attitude is that something has no artistic merit because it was created to sell, and non-commercial music is so much better because the composer didn't write it purely to make money. But of course, if you liked anything commercial, you wouldn't be able to bask in your own smug superiority and moan about how crap the charts are.
 






Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Grendel said:
You mean like your "you're a git who doesn't know what they're on about" comment was, then?

No, that was connected, as clearly you -don't- :rolleyes:

Grendel said:
I understand what "commercial" means perfectly well. It's no different in any other form of music. What irritates me is that your attitude is that something has no artistic merit because it was created to sell, and non-commercial music is so much better because the composer didn't write it purely to make money. But of course, if you liked anything commercial, you wouldn't be able to bask in your own smug superiority and moan about how crap the charts are.

You still don't understand what I mean.

I don't know why I bother, but anyway:

Commercial dance music means pure shit produced to do nothing other than sell to the widest mass-market ever. Average listeners in Ireland would be skangers, 14 year olds, and people who don't listen to anything else electronic but think that "that DHT track is really quite good", or "Sure, Maniac 2000 is pretty catchy, I'll buy that".

Chart music is irrelevant. How much money decent music makes is irrelevant. Commercial refers to a specific STYLE of dance music, produced for a mass market, and consisting of pure shit. It barely deserves to be called dance music, as "commercial shit" is a perfectly adequate name.

There are some highly sucessful people in dance music who don't produce commercial shit and yet obviously make massive amounts of money off it.

If you haven't managed to comprehend that, don't bother. Its going to continue escaping you.

Chart music is an entirely different matter, and I have regularly liked, and bought UK and Ireland top-40 tracks in the past years. You seem unable to disconnect commercial shit dance music hatred from the general music snobbery that some people have of anything which cost more than £1000 to produce and sells more than 100 copies...
 


Trufflehound

Re-enfranchised
Aug 5, 2003
14,126
The democratic and free EU
MYOB said:
No, that was connected, as clearly you -don't- :rolleyes:



You still don't understand what I mean.

I don't know why I bother, but anyway:

blah blah blah blah blah etc

I bet you're the life and soul at parties.
 






Grendel

New member
Jul 28, 2005
3,251
Seaford
MYOB said:
........Lots of boring shite that no-one wants to read.......

You really are a condescending, self satisfied, tedious leprechaun fucker, aren't you? Can you piss off back to your mud hut, or whatever other squalor you live in, please?
 


Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Grendel said:
You really are a condescending, self satisfied, tedious leprechaun fucker, aren't you? Can you piss off back to your mud hut, or whatever other squalor you live in, please?

Just because you can't understand something when its explained to you three times... :dunce:
 






Grendel

New member
Jul 28, 2005
3,251
Seaford
MYOB said:
Just because you can't understand something when its explained to you three times... :dunce:

As I've said, I understand it perfectly well. You're just unable/unwilling to comprehend the point I was trying to make.
 


Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Grendel said:
As I've said, I understand it perfectly well. You're just unable/unwilling to comprehend the point I was trying to make.

Which is? That you were miles off the mark every time you tried to make it? Comprehended that fine the first time, thanks.

You're trying to connect two entirely different types of music hatred. Which can't be connected. And when you fail in making that you fall back to knuckle-dragging nationality-based insults that even Bernard Manning would be ashamed to use these days.

I'm sorry if you never learnt basic logic, but thats not my fault, is it?
 










Grendel

New member
Jul 28, 2005
3,251
Seaford
MYOB said:
Which is? That you were miles off the mark every time you tried to make it? Comprehended that fine the first time, thanks.

You're trying to connect two entirely different types of music hatred. Which can't be connected. And when you fail in making that you fall back to knuckle-dragging nationality-based insults that even Bernard Manning would be ashamed to use these days.

I'm sorry if you never learnt basic logic, but thats not my fault, is it?

The great thing about nationalistic insults is that they clearly wind you up greatly. Every time someone makes a joke on here about Paddys, you get on your high horse and moan about how unfair it is and how irish people are really clever really.

Anyway, you bore me immensely, so I'll leave you to tend your potato field.
 


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