Grendel said:Personally I think he makes himself look an idiot with his rabid hatred of anything "commercial" - commercial being music that more than 7 people like. He epitomises the sad kid at school who wants every small-time band to be their own little secret. In the unlikely event that said band makes it big, they invariably tell everyone how much better they were in 1999 when they played to 4 people in the toilets of the Pav Tav and charged you £5 for a couple of home recordings on cassette.
But maybe that's just me.
MYOB said:If you actually understood what "commercial" in dance music meant, you'd realise how much of an git you're making yourself out to be.
You can be non-commercial and sell out a 90,000 capacity arena, however you can be commercial shit and end up playing to 5 people in a dive club somewhere every weekend and have the highlight of your year being a few nights on the decks in some shithole in Ibiza.
"Commercial" doesn't refer to the popularity, or sucess, of the artist(s) - it refers to the music itself. Both Scooter and DJ Sammy, as well as countless other dance artists produce pure, unadulterated commercial shit. Its produced to sell, thats all. Wheter it actually sells well or not is entirely unconnected (thankfully)
Grendel said:I could come out with snide comments about your understanding and living in peat bogs, but I won't.
Grendel said:Virtually all modern music is produced to sell. If people didn't want other people to listen to their music, they wouldn't release records in the first place. Saying that whether something is commercial or not is unconnected to how well it sells is absolute rubbish. If that held true, Autechre, Einsturzende Neubaten and Cannibal Corpse would be massive. If you've sold out a 90,000 arena, the fact is that you have become commercial.
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Grendel said:By the way, why do you like New Order? Technique is one of the most commercial electronic records I've heard. [/B]
Deportivo Seagull said:Nurseeeeeeeeeeeeeee
You mean like your "you're a git who doesn't know what they're on about" comment was, then?MYOB said:Even though they'd be entirely unconnected with the topic, in any slight way? I live in a city, BTW.
I understand what "commercial" means perfectly well. It's no different in any other form of music. What irritates me is that your attitude is that something has no artistic merit because it was created to sell, and non-commercial music is so much better because the composer didn't write it purely to make money. But of course, if you liked anything commercial, you wouldn't be able to bask in your own smug superiority and moan about how crap the charts are.
In dance music, "Commercial" means more than pure sales. If you don't want to understand that its not worth continuing, but stuff like Scooter and DJ Sammy is commercial shit, and barely deserves to be called dance music.
Grendel said:You mean like your "you're a git who doesn't know what they're on about" comment was, then?
Grendel said:I understand what "commercial" means perfectly well. It's no different in any other form of music. What irritates me is that your attitude is that something has no artistic merit because it was created to sell, and non-commercial music is so much better because the composer didn't write it purely to make money. But of course, if you liked anything commercial, you wouldn't be able to bask in your own smug superiority and moan about how crap the charts are.
MYOB said:No, that was connected, as clearly you -don't-
You still don't understand what I mean.
I don't know why I bother, but anyway:
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Trufflehound said:I bet you're the life and soul at parties.
MYOB said:........Lots of boring shite that no-one wants to read.......
Grendel said:You really are a condescending, self satisfied, tedious leprechaun fucker, aren't you? Can you piss off back to your mud hut, or whatever other squalor you live in, please?
Marc said:Easy - Faith No More
MYOB said:Just because you can't understand something when its explained to you three times...
Grendel said:As I've said, I understand it perfectly well. You're just unable/unwilling to comprehend the point I was trying to make.
afters said:
afters said:sorry to have interrupted your private argument folks, i'll be on my way
MYOB said:Which is? That you were miles off the mark every time you tried to make it? Comprehended that fine the first time, thanks.
You're trying to connect two entirely different types of music hatred. Which can't be connected. And when you fail in making that you fall back to knuckle-dragging nationality-based insults that even Bernard Manning would be ashamed to use these days.
I'm sorry if you never learnt basic logic, but thats not my fault, is it?