[Football] Coup in Zimbabwe ?

[vegster]

No death camps in Venezuela (as far as we know) yet untold suffering and misery on an unimaginable scale and more to come. Remind me again of the Labour leadership view about this Socialist triumph?



Petrified?

Excellent editing, Corbyn would have been speaking about the early days of the Hugo Chávez presidency when he nationalised the oil companies and ploughed the money in to improving health and social care. I suppose you would be hanging around on street corners with a machete and a petrol bomb if Labour win the next election then ?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Excellent editing, Corbyn would have been speaking about the early days of the Hugo Chávez presidency when he nationalised the oil companies and ploughed the money in to improving health and social care. I suppose you would be hanging around on street corners with a machete and a petrol bomb if Labour win the next election then ?

Funny .. that was a phone call by Corbyn to the current Venezualan President. Trump, USA, Tories, Israel, The West all forthright condemnation by the far left loons leading Labour ... Venezuala, IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah, Russia, (anyone that hates us) mealymouthed caveat's galore.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I know what African Nationalism is thanks, I've lived there.

 

[ManOfSussex]

You mean the Chile that grew wealthy and prosperous where the general stood down when he lost the referendum on his rule?(He won the first one). And didn't slaughter farmers for racist motives?

You do realise less than 30 white farmers were killed during the land reforms? More black farm managers were actually killed. I'm not condoning it, but it's far more complex than just to be branded as racism against whites.

The tribal conflict and subjugation of the Ndebele by the Shona under Mugabe has far more victims and exiles.

 

[alfredmizen]

Looney has also forgotten Argentina under the Junta and Franco's Spain among others.

or stalins ussr ? come on its not a game of genocide.top.trumps

 

[alfredmizen]

Excellent editing, Corbyn would have been speaking about the early days of the Hugo Chávez presidency when he nationalised the oil companies and ploughed the money in to improving health and social care. I suppose you would be hanging around on street corners with a machete and a petrol bomb if Labour win the next election then ?

Corbyn STILL wont condemn him

 

[heathgate]

It all started so well for Robert, but since he's first wife die its all gone wrong. A country with huge potential and a great place to visit as well

Started well?.... if using his north Korean trained 5th brigade to slaughter the Matabele opposition tribe is any sort of achievement.. then I guess you are right... it's gone from a thriving economy in early 80s .. to a basket case of corruption, poverty and crime.

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[Buzzer]

It all started so well for Robert, but since he's first wife die its all gone wrong. A country with huge potential and a great place to visit as well

Started well inasmuch as the country was in a fairly healthy position when he took over and he had all the resources necessary to bring proper democracy to Zimbabwe. Trouble was that was never his intention. By the sounds of it, this isn't so much a coup as just re-arranging the seating plans.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

where did Ian Smith go wrong ?
regards
DR

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

where did Ian Smith go wrong ?
regards
DR

Or Gary Rhodes great great grandad Cecil?

 

[looney]

Actually they both thought the war would be good for shoring up their positions, Agentina would thank the generals for returning their lost lands and Thatcher thought it would show the world that she was a strong leader and that we would not back down from anyone.

This is false, Thatcher was already known as the Iron Lady and it was Labours position that was an electral liability.

 

[Buzzer]

where did Ian Smith go wrong ?
regards
DR

By being such a virulent white supremacist. If he'd been a fairer man then possibly someone else other than Mugabe could have taken control.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Bob Mugabe on the end of a rope would certainly add to the gaiety of the nation.

Never happen under Abbott/Corbyn/Thornbury and Yuman Rites !

 

[looney]

You do realise less than 30 white farmers were killed during the land reforms? More black farm managers were actually killed. I'm not condoning it, but it's far more complex than just to be branded as racism against whites.

The tribal conflict and subjugation of the Ndebele by the Shona under Mugabe has far more victims and exiles.

Meh. about 70 white farmers killed in South Africa recently, how far and where are you going with this? Mugabe was/is a socialist, Venezuala is socialist, ditto North Korea.

This is what socialism looks like.

 

[heathgate]

By being such a virulent white supremacist. If he'd been a fairer man then possibly someone else other than Mugabe could have taken control.

Ian Smith was actually a moderate, he was kept on in government after independence.... that says something.

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[Leekbrookgull]

By being such a virulent white supremacist. If he'd been a fairer man then possibly someone else other than Mugabe could have taken control.

Good point. Basically Red v Blue.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

By being such a virulent white supremacist. If he'd been a fairer man then possibly someone else other than Mugabe could have taken control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjLZTP5q0_A

regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

Despite the resources and infrastructure - TIA. Zimbabwe had tribal and ethnic divisions, the legacy of colonialism, a war of independence and an agreed land reform programme that went nowhere, the very powerful and self perceived entitlement of the war veterans, the inevitable corruption of an African country and it's relegated global status post 1994 as South Africa rejoined the international community and became the accepted dominant regional power. Robert Mugabe never liked Nelson Mandela.

I can't help thinking what the late Sally Mugabe would have made of all this today - because it's Grace Mugabe who's brought this all crashing down for Robert Mugabe, by taking on and slighting the veterans. She's a bloody evil woman who's ruthlessness eventually crossed the wrong people and went too far.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Meh. about 70 white farmers killed in South Africa recently, how far and where are you going with this? Mugabe was/is a socialist, Venezuala is socialist, ditto North Korea.

This is what socialism looks like.

I wasn't talking about South Africa or comparing Zimbabwe to Chile or comparing African Nationalist Governments to Socialist Governments off the African continent for the purposes of point scoring. Are there tribal and ethnic divisions in Venezuela and North Korea or post-colonial legacy issues at all?

 

[Buzzer]

Robert Mugabe never liked Nelson Mandela.

I think there was probably mutual admiration for a shared cause in the early days but post-apartheid S Africa changed all that. Mandela was magnanimous in victory, Mugabe was vindictive. Mandela was able to move from the mindset of a revolutionary fighting for a specific group to universally respected leader of a pluralistic nation and Mugabe hates him for his moderation.