Corbyn for the working class what a joke wake up people!

[knocky1]

I'm a right-winger and even I can see just how badly the EU has let down Greece and the young unemployed across Europe. How and why is it that so many lefties are so eager to virtue signal their metropolitan credentials that they choose to ignore what is happening to the poorest in theirs and other EU countries? Just what kind of socialism is it that they believe in that they would rather swallow the bullshit from corporations eager to manipulate markets and governments and to hell with what the working-class are saying?

Good news for the poor in Greece tomorrow, if we vote to leave. Dave will be on to their case immediately.

 

[Buzzer]

Good news for the poor in Greece tomorrow, if we vote to leave. Dave will be on to their case immediately.

Dave doesn't care about the working-classes in Greece but then again he's never claimed to.

Is that the best argument against Brendan O'Neill's comments that you've got? It doesn't matter because the Tories don't care about them either? So much for solidarity, comrade.

 

[knocky1]

Dave doesn't care about the working-classes in Greece but then again he's never claimed to.

Is that the best argument against Brendan O'Neill's comments that you've got? It doesn't matter because the Tories don't care about them either? So much for solidarity, comrade.

Who the **** is Brendan O'Neill? What is the answer for Greece? In or out.

 

[Brightonfan1983]

This moron does not represent me I will never vote Labour as long as this idiot is in charge of the Labour Party!!

Thanks

 

[Buzzer]

Who the **** is Brendan O'Neill?

To save you the bother of Googling, he's a left-wing journalist but expresses the same views on the EU as Dennis Skinner, the late Bob Crow and up until this year both Corbyn and McDonnell. His views are succinctly expressed in that quote.

What is the answer for Greece? In or out.

The answer to Greece - here's stating the bloody obvious - debt write-off for a start - even the current package is unsustainable and Greece is likely to default again soon and the current plan has and will cripple Greece for decades to come. There HAS to be debt write-off of some kind for Greece to get back on its feet. Even the IMF agree on that. The stumbling block is of course Germany and France who are the biggest creditors.

Another would be the cancellation of any oustanding arms orders that Germany and France has with Greece. We all know what that was about and why Greece became the fourth largest buyer of conventional weapons after the EU changed its rules on budget deficits in 2005 to keep Greece in the Euro. That includes the submarines that Germany sold them that have never worked.

A commitment from other NATO countries to partially support the Greek defence of its country and thus help Greece by removing huge defence budgets for say, the next 10 years whilst it invests that money on infrastructure.

Another would be to look at encouraging Far East companies to invest in moving some production to Southern Europe. The FT reported last year that China was struggling with finding workers esp for technology and clothing.

Another would be for a full overhaul of the Greek and Southern European tax systems together with reforming their pensions structures. Exactly the measures that Greece should have taken before they joined the Euro. Maybe even temporary suspension of its membership of ERM so that the Greece can set interest rates that are specific to the needs of the Greeks rather than the one-size fits all rate that they share with completely disparate and richer Northern countries.

I'll tell you what isn't the answer - keep lending them more money to repay the money that they can't afford to pay back ad infinitum.

 

[Grombleton]

Hmm...patriotism = homophobia now, does it? Ah well, patriotic people get called just about every other insult, you might as well chuck in that as well. I've heard they also indulge in stupid stereotypes too because they'd rather demonise people they disagree with so they can feel better about themselves. What are they like, eh?

Edit: nevermind.

 

[Buzzer]

Sarcasm not your strong point, clearly.

I did think about making it a bit more subtle but then I worried that you might not get it. You understood what I eventually wrote so we're all good.

I tell you what, I'd love for you to have said what you wrote to a good friend of mine that a fair few other posters on here also know, he's an Albion STH who happens to be gay and probably the most patriotic bloke you could ever meet. He's far more patriotic than me. He even goes with his other half each year to Last Night of the Proms, they get decked out in Union Jack waistcoats, flags and all sorts. So please excuse the sarcasm but I do have problems with people who equate patriotism with homophobia or other forms of bigotry.

 

[knocky1]

To save you the bother of Googling, he's a left-wing journalist but expresses the same views on the EU as Dennis Skinner, the late Bob Crow and up until this year both Corbyn and McDonnell. His views are succinctly expressed in that quote.



The answer to Greece - here's stating the bloody obvious - debt write-off for a start - even the current package is unsustainable and Greece is likely to default again soon and the current plan has and will cripple Greece for decades to come. There HAS to be debt write-off of some kind for Greece to get back on its feet. Even the IMF agree on that. The stumbling block is of course Germany and France who are the biggest creditors.

Another would be the cancellation of any oustanding arms orders that Germany and France has with Greece. We all know what that was about and why Greece became the fourth largest buyer of conventional weapons after the EU changed its rules on budget deficits in 2005 to keep Greece in the Euro. That includes the submarines that Germany sold them that have never worked.

A commitment from other NATO countries to partially support the Greek defence of its country and thus help Greece by removing huge defence budgets for say, the next 10 years whilst it invests that money on infrastructure.

Another would be to look at encouraging Far East companies to invest in moving some production to Southern Europe. The FT reported last year that China was struggling with finding workers esp for technology and clothing.

Another would be for a full overhaul of the Greek and Southern European tax systems together with reforming their pensions structures. Exactly the measures that Greece should have taken before they joined the Euro. Maybe even temporary suspension of its membership of ERM so that the Greece can set interest rates that are specific to the needs of the Greeks rather than the one-size fits all rate that they share with completely disparate and richer Northern countries.

I'll tell you what isn't the answer - keep lending them more money to repay the money that they can't afford to pay back ad infinitum.

Good reply. Thanks. As a champagne socialist, on the remain side for social rather than economic reasons, I would be very happy for you to oust Boris from his position.

 

[wakokid]

This moron does not represent me I will never vote Labour as long as this idiot is in charge of the Labour Party!!

On the contrary I see Corbyn as being the first genuine Labour leader for years. I guess we're all different. Perhaps that makes me not a very good supporter of the labour party as I'm not wilfully letting the media tell me who I should support. I'm just thankful that I am capable of critical thinking and don't just accept everything I read or see on TV.