Corbyn for the working class what a joke wake up people!

[Notters]

Corbyn always comes across as intelligent and thoughtful. Odd post.

 

[Notters]

Kinnock is a good comparison ..... both were very anti-EU, with a history of voicing their dislike and then, suddenly, over night became keen supporters of the EU.

He's not a "keen supporter" of the EU. He is very much a Euro-sceptic. On The Last Leg last week he stated that his support for Remain was about 7 out of 10. But on balance, he agreed that it was better to be in the EU and have a strong influence over it that be outside it and still controlled by it.

 

[el punal]

If you lot (read posts above) 'used to vote Labour years ago' why jump on Corbyn? He's been leader for 5 minutes. Are you all saying that you used to be big fans of Mr Tony? I have'nt seen much socialism (red in tooth and claw) from any of you in your posts (over the las year). You all sound like Tories to me Was it really better for you back in the halcyon days of the three day week, and sunny Jim? Pfui, I smell a rat. A lot of rats. Working class warrious. Give me strength.

ps I really don't like Corbyn either, and almost certainly won't vote for him, but I think I have a right to say that, as a (former) member of the people's party (or the sweaty socks brigade as som call them).

Ah! The good old three day week. The time that you made a fortune selling candles. What do I remember? Working in a wine shop where the till had to be cranked up with a windlass, lit candles everywhere including the cellars. Fire risk - pah! Going to watch West Ham play Hereford in a cup replay at Upton Park, on a Monday afternoon at 2 o'clock in front of a crowd of 42,000!
Watching the Albion beat Hereford at the Goldstone on a Sunday afternoon (which then was a complete no-no) - was that still the three day week? . . . . and many, many more stories.

You young-uns don't know what you've been missing!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Personally I find Labours messages confusing, because the EU is the opposite to what Labour are. I think real Labour would be saying no to free movement and no to further political union to protect the interests of British workers.

 

[synavm]

Personally, though I'm not a fan of him in general, I think Corbyn has pretty much summed up my mood relating to the EU. It badly needs reform but it's far more in our interest to stay than leave. Respect the views of Brexiters, but that's my position. Some what sceptical of the EU but far more sceptical of the alternative.

 

[synavm]

Personally I find Labours messages confusing, because the EU is the opposite to what Labour are. I think real Labour would be saying no to free movement and no to further political union to protect the interests of British workers.

Labour has always been an internationalist party and has long fought against racism and has championed the benefits of immigration. Some may have differing positions, though. My position is, yes, something needs to be done about immigration but I do believe it is somewhat of a red herring. I believe the real elephant in the room is globalisation. Leaving the EU won't end movement of people or more importantly trade- if big business cannot get cheap labour here, you can be sure it'd find cheap labour elsewhere. I personally believe to curb the excesses of globalisation you need bi-lateral agreement and groups like the European Union, if reformed, would be the only way to really look out for people. The more isolated we are, the less we can do.

 

[Mellotron]

Don't quite understand all the hatred for Corbyn. Even if you disagree with his policies the fact he actually has PRINCIPLES and sticks to them is an absolute breath of fresh air compared to 99% of modern politicians.

 

[alfredmizen]

So Corbyn, a socialist, doesn't represent the working classes and Farage and his band of xenophobic ex-Tories do... Right o

Corbyn , the Socialist , has just been on the radio telling us his vision of a Europe where we ALL share our wealth, now im pretty sure that a lot of working class people who would class themselves as socialists would baulk at sharing their wealth/resources with a people from another country , corbyn couldnt give a f*ck about BRITISH people , he has no sense of nationhood whatsoever .

 

[alfredmizen]

Don't quite understand all the hatred for Corbyn. Even if you disagree with his policies the fact he actually has PRINCIPLES and sticks to them is an absolute breath of fresh air compared to 99% of modern politicians.

oh really ?? Doesnt agree with violence for political gain ? principles ?? dont make me laugh ..............

 

[Notters]

You can add hypocrite to the list given the message on this !

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I can't find any evidence that he said that, other than a lot of retweets (whatever they are). I imagine he said something similar but it's been taken out of context. He believes in trying to talk to violent people rather than bombing the shit out of them indiscriminately, which seems reasonable.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Don't quite understand all the hatred for Corbyn. Even if you disagree with his policies the fact he actually has PRINCIPLES and sticks to them is an absolute breath of fresh air compared to 99% of modern politicians.

Mock what you are afraid of, I would guess. FWIW, I think Corbyn is too left wing to get elected in modern Britain but does seem more principled than a lot of his peers. What I am sick of is random internet non entities trying to shove their views down my throat as if they are some kind of oracle. Why should I "wake up" based on the ramblings of an internet no-one? All you will ever do is alienate people against your cause rather than bring them round to it.

 

[glasfryn]

Mock what you are afraid of, I would guess. FWIW, I think Corbyn is too left wing to get elected in modern Britain but does seem more principled than a lot of his peers. What I am sick of is random internet non entities trying to shove their views down my throat as if they are some kind of oracle. Why should I "wake up" based on the ramblings of an internet no-one? All you will ever do is alienate people against your cause rather than bring them round to it.

he will not be the leader when the next election comes around, he has set the base for someone else to take over, and someone will break out of the pack.
after the last few weeks I hope it is the end of the punch and judy type shouting and gaffawing we have had lateley and maybe get back to the real politics

 

[alfredmizen]

I can't find any evidence that he said that, other than a lot of retweets (whatever they are). I imagine he said something similar but it's been taken out of context. He believes in trying to talk to violent people rather than bombing the shit out of them indiscriminately, which seems reasonable.

If you believe that then your naivete knows no bounds , thats what he says NOW.

 

[Machiavelli]

Wouldn't vote for any of them. They all promise the world, then after a few years it all falls apart again. Tory, Labour, Tory, Labour it doesn't make any difference. One party gives everything away, the other party takes it away.

I would say thou the party that has inflicted the most damage on this country is Labour. You can get your economy back, but you can't get your indentity back. I will never vote for this party again and feel cheated by them.

This is the kind of response that bears no relation to reality whatsoever. Neither Labour nor the Tories "promise the world", not even the Lib Dems did that. They pretty much stick to their manifesto, although it's their departures from it that attract the headlines.
And while we're on the issue of promising the world, hmmm, I think we can all decipher just which bunch of politicians are doing that at the moment.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

If you believe that then your naivete knows no bounds , thats what he says NOW.

Wasn't he one of the first to champion a peace agreement in NI? Ultinately, talking is the only way to get things done in the long term.

 

[Mellotron]

oh really ?? Doesnt agree with violence for political gain ? principles ?? dont make me laugh ..............

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He's clearly anti violence on the whole, that's quite obvious. How this contradicts that I'm not sure. As said above, he believes in talking to people rather than bombing them. A bit quaint perhaps, but can't fault the principles involved.

 

[Betfair Bozo]

He's not a "keen supporter" of the EU. He is very much a Euro-sceptic. On The Last Leg last week he stated that his support for Remain was about 7 out of 10. But on balance, he agreed that it was better to be in the EU and have a strong influence over it that be outside it and still controlled by it.

Exactly. A sensible position to take. It might be a tough job to reform the EU from the inside but it's an impossible task from the outside.

 

[GreersElbow]

Same for me too. Labour have done really well on losing loads of their voters to UKIP, like myself. They still don't learn do they.
All they keep doing is insulting the voters they lost.

Because UKIP are similar to Labour in every policy area other than the EU and immigration....

 

[BBassic]

Corbyn , the Socialist , has just been on the radio telling us his vision of a Europe where we ALL share our wealth, now im pretty sure that a lot of working class people who would class themselves as socialists would baulk at sharing their wealth/resources with a people from another country , corbyn couldnt give a f*ck about BRITISH people , he has no sense of nationhood whatsoever .

I never quite got the hang of patriotism.

I enjoy being English because of our ingrained sense of "everything is always a little bit rubbish even when it isn't really" and our love of a Sunday roast.

But I am English because I happened to be the one sperm that made it and I happen to have made it into a womb geographically positioned within the borders of the England. It's pot luck.

I'm no good with numbers but I imagine the odds of me being born a girl in Turkey were just as high as they were of me being born a bloke in Sussex.

Its pretty much for that reason that I can't get behind "I am English, hear me roar" beyond having a good moan up at the state of the trains.

 

[happypig]

oh really ?? Doesnt agree with violence for political gain ? principles ?? dont make me laugh ..............

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So you Have Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams (I have no like for either) in a room, you have two ways you can go; one is to take a confrontational posture, shout "no surrender" and walk out, the other is to talk (probably about how to start negotiating peace).
One route leads to more people getting shot & bombed, the other route might lead to peace. I know which one I'd like him to take.