Conservative Conference Highlights

[BadFish]

For some bizarre reason there is a significant proportion of the British people that like bankers.
Just look at Brexit, a whole mass of remainers who said the views and interests of the banking and financial lobby were paramount considerations that must be listened to.
Personally i think they are tossers, but politicians have known for well before me and you were born that when the push comes to the shove they need to beg to the financial institutions...............so the greed continues and will continue for a long time yet.............especially when global economies take a hit.
The world will pay for covid financially for a very long time

Okay I'll try another way

When I am asked why the Brits have consistently voted Tory for the last 12 years, what policies and/or outcome should I point them towards that show why they are a good party to vote for?

If you don't feel you can speak on behalf of the general electorate, maybe you can give me a few policies from the last 12 years that have benefited you and earned your vote (I am assuming that you vote for them?)

 

[pastafarian]

Okay I'll try another way

When I am asked why the Brits have consistently voted Tory for the last 12 years, what policies and/or outcome should I point them towards that show why they are a good party to vote for?

If you don't feel you can speak on behalf of the general electorate, maybe you can give me a few policies from the last 12 years that have benefited you and earned your vote (I am assuming that you vote for them?)

2015 -promised a referendum on EU if elected
2017- pledged to uphold the referendum result and actually leave the EU
2019- promised again to uphold the referendum result and actually leave the EU.

i have been one issue focused over the last few years

 

[JC Footy Genius]

2015 -promised a referendum on EU if elected
2017- pledged to uphold the referendum result and actually leave the EU
2019- promised again to uphold the referendum result and actually leave the EU.

i have been one issue focused over the last few years[emoji106]

Yeah, but who cares about upholding and honouring democratic first principles [emoji6]

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[birthofanorange]

Yeah, but who cares about upholding and honouring democratic first principles [emoji6]

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Fewer and fewer people, it seems, especially when it's been shown to be a bit of a shit-fest and to the detriment of the country that you 'patriots' claim to love.
Still, nothing like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, eh?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Fewer and fewer people, it seems, especially when it's been shown to be a bit of a shit-fest and to the detriment of the country that you 'patriots' claim to love.
Still, nothing like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, eh?

Mmmmm .. well, last time I checked the government had an 80 seat majority and held a comfortable lead in the polls ... shirley the opposition would be miles ahead if most shared your view? [emoji6]

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[birthofanorange]

Mmmmm .. well, last time I checked the government had an 80 seat majority and held a comfortable lead in the polls ... shirley the opposition would be miles ahead if most shared your view? [emoji6]

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Not really - the two things aren't mutually exclusive, and you have to take into account the 'idiocy factor'.
Got any additions to the 'sunlit uplands' yet?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not really - the two things aren't mutually exclusive, and you have to take into account the 'idiocy factor'.
Got any additions to the 'sunlit uplands' yet?

Ah, always good to see the 'people who disagree with me must be idiots' argument ... a proven winning statergy for changing minds and winning elections, so clever [emoji6]


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[birthofanorange]

Ah, always good to see the 'people who disagree with me must be idiots' argument ... a proven winning statergy for changing minds and winning elections, so clever [emoji6]


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Always good to see the JCFG avoidance, too. Your 'statergy' is so clear.

 

[Randy McNob]

I really could not give one tiny toss where any politician has been educated.
Judge them on their performance whilst being politicians by all means, i cant be bothered with this whole thing of judging people because of where they were educated.

For what its worth, i would like to see a house of lords made up of a % of voted representatives and a % of appointed experienced people from walks of life such as teachers, nurses, doctors, military, police, business leaders, social workers, workers reps, scientists etc etc............a cross section of everyday life...........even god forbid religious leaders

It's more to do with the fact that public school educated elites are fast tracked into power via safe seats in our undemocratic FPTP system, purely through priviledge rather than merit, these elites only represent the interests of like minded people, the super rich. It's also why they attack the poorest in society with benefit caps and not feeding poor kids at school, because they do not resonate with ordinary people

 

[BadFish]

2015 -promised a referendum on EU if elected
2017- pledged to uphold the referendum result and actually leave the EU
2019- promised again to uphold the referendum result and actually leave the EU.

i have been one issue focused over the last few years

Thank Pasta, I appreciate the answer. Its more than one finds on most of these threads.

I have to say though that your unbending support of Brexit may make it hard for you to see that not everyone is going to see it as a compelling reason to vote Tory.

It also seems somewhat at odds with you describing it as a 'bloody nose' for the party that you are now voting in on the back of it?

to get back to the discussion, Brexit has done wonders for the career of Boris Johnson who I am sure we can agree is one of the 'privileged people' as you describe them or 'ruling class' as I do. Hardly still reeling from that bloody nose wouldn't you say?

 

[BadFish]

It's more to do with the fact that public school educated elites are fast tracked into power via safe seats in our undemocratic FPTP system, purely through priviledge rather than merit, these elites only represent the interests of like minded people, the super rich. It's also why they attack the poorest in society with benefit caps and not feeding poor kids at school, because they do not resonate with ordinary people

This is really the nub of what I am trying to understand. IN the light of so much evidence that they, as you say, attack the poorest in society and represent the interests of the elite. Why do so many people vote for them?

So far I have got Brexit, which is fair enough, a big issue that needed the party that people thought would deliver it most effectively.

that is it!

No,
'have a look at these stats that show that the tories have bought more people out of poverty than ever before'
'have a look at this that shows they have revolutionised and improved the education/health system'
'look at this that shows that they have reviewed the BBC funding model and stopped convicting pensioners for paying for heat instead of their licence fees'
'look at the incentives they have provided for businesses to come to a Britain deregulated after brexit, this has lead to X billions of pounds in improved tax revenue'

There must be more surely?

I even tried googling it:

Surely that search should have bought up the Tory supporting media (of which there are plenty) espousing the glorious benefits of the last 10 years of governance. But . . .

 

[BadFish]

Ah, always good to see the 'people who disagree with me must be idiots' argument ... a proven winning statergy for changing minds and winning elections, so clever [emoji6]


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Why do you vote for the Tories JCFG? (assuming you do)

What are the successes and policies that cause you to throw the X on that ballot paper?

 

[pastafarian]

Thank Pasta, I appreciate the answer. Its more than one finds on most of these threads.

I have to say though that your unbending support of Brexit may make it hard for you to see that not everyone is going to see it as a compelling reason to vote Tory.

It also seems somewhat at odds with you describing it as a 'bloody nose' for the party that you are now voting in on the back of it?

to get back to the discussion, Brexit has done wonders for the career of Boris Johnson who I am sure we can agree is one of the 'privileged people' as you describe them or 'ruling class' as I do. Hardly still reeling from that bloody nose wouldn't you say?

The bloody nose was in reference to those members of parliament who thought it was a good idea to try and ignore the referendum result instruction to Leave and attempted to have the opposite done instead......by remaining.
You will find a whole raft of them no longer have a job in the commons.............good riddance.

 

[The Clamp]

The bloody nose was in reference to those members of parliament who thought it was a good idea to try and ignore the referendum result instruction to Leave and attempted to have the opposite done instead......by remaining.
You will find a whole raft of them no longer have a job in the commons.............good riddance.

And it’s all going so swimmingly. So good we got rid of any dissenting voices fighting for democracy. Now we can all sit back, relax, and enjoy the sunlit uplands uninterrupted by the pesky voice of reason.

 

[pastafarian]

And it’s all going so swimmingly. So good we got rid of any dissenting voices fighting for democracy. Now we can all sit back, relax, and enjoy the sunlit uplands uninterrupted by the pesky voice of reason.

I will never take any advice on democracy from someone like you who was a champion on the Brexit thread of ignoring the referendum decision and outright revoking it.
You laid it out plainly that you can simply never be trusted on matters of democracy............you made your bed on that, i suggest you own it and come to terms with the fact you will always be known for it.

 

[The Clamp]

I will never take any advice on democracy from someone like you who was a champion on the Brexit thread of ignoring the referendum decision and outright revoking it.
You laid it out plainly that you can simply never be trusted on matters of democracy............you made your bed on that, i suggest you own it and come to terms with the fact you will always be known for it.

I find your opinions far too totalitarian and therefore I’m disinclined to trust your judgment on what I will always be known for. But I make no secret of the fact that I believe the referendum was wholly undemocratic and I think it did in fact go some way to breaking democracy in the U.K.
However, it’s unlikely we are going to rejoin the EU anytime soon so I think we need to start making a better job of the dire situation we have been put in. The most effective way to do that would be to vote out the current government as soon as we can. I don’t have much faith In that happening either. It’s a shame that the party that got into power on the back of Brexit is so institutionally undemocratic that they are passing laws to make it very hard to hold them to account or vote them out.
Democracy? It’s not what it used to be.

 

[tip top]

The most effective way to do that would be to vote out the current government as soon as we can

..... and vote for your Labour with no electable leader and the racist comedian Diane Abbott

Silly boy nibble.

 

[The Clamp]

..... and vote for your Labour with no electable leader and the racist comedian Diane Abbott

Silly boy nibble.

“Your Labour”?

I don’t support or vote Labour and haven’t done so for some time. They are a shambles.

As for your last comment, grow up.

 

[Randy McNob]

I find your opinions far too totalitarian and therefore I’m disinclined to trust your judgment on what I will always be known for. But I make no secret of the fact that I believe the referendum was wholly undemocratic and I think it did in fact go some way to breaking democracy in the U.K.
However, it’s unlikely we are going to rejoin the EU anytime soon so I think we need to start making a better job of the dire situation we have been put in. The most effective way to do that would be to vote out the current government as soon as we can. I don’t have much faith In that happening either. It’s a shame that the party that got into power on the back of Brexit is so institutionally undemocratic that they are passing laws to make it very hard to hold them to account or vote them out.
Democracy? It’s not what it used to be.

I find it laughable Pasta thinks he's revolutionary and wielded electoral change with his vote when all he's done is keep a Tory in a safe seat

Vote Tory, always have voted Tory, always will vote Tory. POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I find it laughable Pasta thinks he's revolutionary and wielded electoral change with his vote when all he's done is keep a Tory in a safe seat

Vote Tory, always have voted Tory, always will vote Tory. POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!

As opposed to someone like you who voted for the Conservative party/political establishment/big business choice in 2016!

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