And there lies the problem. Blunkett secretly signed an extradition treaty allowing the USA to extradite Brits, however they won't give us the same treaty to extradite from there to here. It seems the gov't are too concerned about metaphorically sucking off america rather listening to what the general public want.
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Computor hacker faces US Trial.
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And there lies the problem. Blunkett secretly signed an extradition treaty allowing the USA to extradite Brits, however they won't give us the same treaty to extradite from there to here. It seems the gov't are too concerned about metaphorically sucking off america rather listening to what the general public want.
bhaexpress
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What amuses me is that America are making such a fuss. They should be very embarrased that such a person could hack their security. However, the guy did break the law but not only is 60 years disgusting but the fact that our government has yet again bent over for the Americans when they on several occasions refused to allow us to extradite people with IRA connections.
Frankly we should have told them to get stuffed.
Frankly we should have told them to get stuffed.
Rather than bang him up, they should hire him to work on improving their security systems.
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for once we agree.
bhaexpress
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Exactly ! In fact, that is what used to happen, more than a few serious hackers are now working for the CIA and NSA.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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i dont think 60 years is very good justice, but then thats the maximum. like here, theres a range for the offence. here, he'd probably get upto 5 years, and would probably get the full five years for hacking a Naval base and changing their security monitoring systems to hide tracks, locking people out of the systems.
and how do you know this? firstly, where is the examples of the UK trying to extradite someone from the US? secondly, he doesnt even deny it, so theres hardly a problem of evidence. seems to me people have jumped on a "aren't the merkins evil and un-reasonable" bandwagon on this issue, ignoreing the fact that he admits a fairly serious crime (to be fair the US didnt help by implying he'd be sent to max security, even Guantanamo bay, but then he did rather embaress them).
fact is, if this was a pedo or he'd bludgeoned his family to death, we wouldnt even be having this discussion. oh wait, both of those things have happend recently.
We've been in Americas pocket since the end of WW2, hence it's natural for us to feel like they've got us over a barrel.
This does SEEM harsh but hacking into military computer systems is f***ing with some serious stuff, the fact that it happened over here makes no odds, he's hacking into their systems on their soil.
This does SEEM harsh but hacking into military computer systems is f***ing with some serious stuff, the fact that it happened over here makes no odds, he's hacking into their systems on their soil.
This bloke worked at the company I work for now before me. I have been told by people that were here at that time that within a few weeks of starting work he got the sack for attempting to break into the companies database of customers details i.e bank details.
This was around 12 years ago before all this with the US authorities and before he was diagnosed with Aspergers.
Based on what happened here, he knows what he had been doing was wrong. He deserves what he gets, he has played with fire before and he has messed around with the wrong people and now his fingers are well and truly burnt.
This was around 12 years ago before all this with the US authorities and before he was diagnosed with Aspergers.
Based on what happened here, he knows what he had been doing was wrong. He deserves what he gets, he has played with fire before and he has messed around with the wrong people and now his fingers are well and truly burnt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4738760.stm
"The one unarguable consequence of the 2003 Act is that there is now an imbalance in the extradition arrangements in force between Britain and the US.
The US government needs only to outline the alleged offence, the punishment specified by statute and provide an accurate description of the suspect sought.
To extradite from the US, Britain must prove "probable cause"."
Also, I haven't said he shouldn't be extradited - in this case it's the right thing to do BUT due to the inequality of the treaty there are likely to be cases that shouldn't. Therefore the treaty should be evened up.
You just can't help thinking that the US would NEVER allow one of their citizens to be extradited to another country, knowing that such a heavy sentenced might be imposed, for a crime that some may think is rather more geeky than sinister.
As has been mentioned the American's should hire this fella and sack the fella who sold them the system that then got hacked into.
As has been mentioned the American's should hire this fella and sack the fella who sold them the system that then got hacked into.
Beneath the old iron bridges, across the victorian parks,
& all the frightened people running home before dark,
Past the Saturday morning cinema--
that lies crumbling to the ground,
& the piss stinking shopping centre in the new side of town.
I've come to smell the seasons change, & watch the city,
as the sun goes down again.
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Here comes another winter, of long shadows & high hopes,
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waitin for hell to freeze over.
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the land of red buses & blue blooded babies,
This is the place, where pensioners are raped,
& the hearts are being cut, from the welfare state,
Let the poor drink the milk, while the rich eat the honey,
Let the bums count their blessings, while they count the money.
So many people, can't express what's on their minds,
Nobody knows them & nobody ever will,
Until their backs are broken & their dreams are stolen,
& they can't get what they want, then they're gonna get angry!
Well it ain't written in the papers, but its written on the walls
The way this country is divided to fall,
So the cranes are moving on the skyline--
Trying to knock down--this town
But the stains on the heartland, can never be removed,
from this country, that's sick, sad, and confused.
CHORUS
The ammunition's being passed, and the lords been praised,
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained,
All the bankers gettin sweaty, beneath their white collars,
As the pound in our pocket, turns into a dollar.
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This is the 51st state of the U. S. A.
This is the 51st state of the U. S. A.
& all the frightened people running home before dark,
Past the Saturday morning cinema--
that lies crumbling to the ground,
& the piss stinking shopping centre in the new side of town.
I've come to smell the seasons change, & watch the city,
as the sun goes down again.
CHORUS
Here comes another winter, of long shadows & high hopes,
Here comes another winter, waitin for utopia,
waitin for hell to freeze over.
This is the land, where nothing changes,
the land of red buses & blue blooded babies,
This is the place, where pensioners are raped,
& the hearts are being cut, from the welfare state,
Let the poor drink the milk, while the rich eat the honey,
Let the bums count their blessings, while they count the money.
So many people, can't express what's on their minds,
Nobody knows them & nobody ever will,
Until their backs are broken & their dreams are stolen,
& they can't get what they want, then they're gonna get angry!
Well it ain't written in the papers, but its written on the walls
The way this country is divided to fall,
So the cranes are moving on the skyline--
Trying to knock down--this town
But the stains on the heartland, can never be removed,
from this country, that's sick, sad, and confused.
CHORUS
The ammunition's being passed, and the lords been praised,
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained,
All the bankers gettin sweaty, beneath their white collars,
As the pound in our pocket, turns into a dollar.
This is the 51st state of the U. S. A.
This is the 51st state of the U. S. A.
This is the 51st state of the U. S. A.
This is the 51st state of the U. S. A.
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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probably, but this isnt the case to banging that drum.
Can you just run past me what the fella did ??
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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hacked into various US naval and NASA computer systems, changed passwords and disabled security monitoring. when caught and identified claimed to be looking for evidence of UFOs. if there wasnt a extradiction in progress he'd almost certinaly have been tried and probably convicted and serving time here anyway.
his defence has been to play the silly mad crackpot, who wouldnt be able to survive in prison. poor lamb. as you might be able to tell, i dont fall for it, the guy is very intelligent and playing a game that went wrong.
Just doesn't get me going.
As you say, he was playing a game, not too sure why you feel so passionate about wanting to put this British Citizen in an American Jail, possibly for a very long time, virtual vandalism maybe, but to use him to excuse their own security shortcomings just doesn't seem right to me.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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dont know really, probably partly the fact that the Daily Mail bangs on about it, partly the fact that he is geniunly potentially dangerous (what else has he/could he have been accessing), partly i dont agree with the idea that simply because he's a british citizen we should protect him - it isnt like he is denying the charge, that might make me feel differently.
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Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
He also did this in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks.
"Dickhead" pretty much covers it, I think.
Usually the punishment for being a 'Dickhead' is ermmm being called a 'Dickhead'.
Not sure it warrants, extradition and a possible 60 year prison sentence.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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thats its, whats winding me up, that fact that the crime is ignored because people buy into the poor lamb, he didnt mean it and dont you think 60 years is too much defence. end of it all, he did, apparently, commit a crime and not just be a dickhead (thats more his timing). We didnt hear a single word against the extradition of the guy who (allegedly) killed his family did we?
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I would suggest you do some research on Aspergers before you make bold statements about him knowing what he was doing was wrong. One of the characteristics of people with the syndrome, is an inability to understand that rules may apply to them. It's quite a difficult concept to appreciate, but he may have fully understood that the act he was carrying out was illegal, and expect other people not to commit the crime but when it came to his own actions been completely unable to apply the rules to himself.
I have a son with Aspergers and i see that sort of behaviour on a regular basis.