"Community Club"

[Dave the OAP]

How does sacking someone save money? Don't you pay up the length of their contract?

get him off the payroll?

 

[Dave the OAP]

DK hates agents with a passion, and this further complicated issues. I am not saying that DK is wrong to hate these weasels, but it makes the job of the manager more difficult.

The 'broken man' and 'commumnity club ' stuff is however a smokescreen for the fact that DK saw that the fans were turning against him as well as MM, and so MM was made a scapegoat.

But that is just crap isnt it ( not you, the point) America hates Iran with a passion, but still takes the majority of their oil.....that have to. Players now have agents , he has to deal with them.

I have certainly noticed inthe past few months more and more people are prepared to question DK and MP and just what is going on at the club. There will always be the vocal set who will accuse all and sundry of being disloyal, however, A few years ago, when we were relegated under Coppel, people were not critisising DK - it was anyones fault but his....now it appears that he is not untouchable as he once was.

With regards to the supporter representative, my compqny has a EAB ( Employees advisory Board) which employees who have been elected attend meetings with the MD, FD and various management people. Questions can be asked directly and answers are given directly ( the comercial sensitivity stick is not waived arbiterily(SP) ) I suppose one of the issues would bne whnere would a representative come from....the supporters club?

 

[Jim D]

I'm sure that Knight acted after the reaction by the fans following the Crewe and Bristol games. A similar sort of thing happened with Gritt and Wood (although it took longer). I don't like his references to a 'community club', as I think these sorts of comment will come back to haunt him - it might even make it more difficult to attract a decent manager.

But there could be another direction to look - after all his comments about 'the lardy Jocko and the Clipboard Kid' maybe Ernie had more effect on Knight than we had thought. Could there be a smoking gun in his ARS?

 

[The Large One]

I suppose one of the issues would bne whnere would a representative come from....the supporters club?

Um, nein danke. That IS a group to close to the action. I couldn't or wouldn't advocate a representative because one, as I said, I'm not overly in favour of it at the moment, and two, I would pity the poor bastard who did take it on. Theirs would be an impossible job.

Your point about questioning DK and MP is valid to a point. The crux of the matter seems to be the apparent public lack of movement over the Holy Grail - getting to Falmer. All other issues do seem to come back to this one point. Of course, shedloads has been going on behind the scenes, and Martin Perry has very regular meetings with all concerned. He has worked his bollocks off for this project.

Take away the Lewes factor, and the bulldozers would have been working for six weeks by now. And it's this expectation (to be building it by now) which is frustrating people. Point is, people ARE frustrated and are looking for a scapegoat, and for some reason, some are not looking eight miles east, but at the club. That baffles me.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Ok Alan, I will buyt that one.

However you ask why people do not look 8 miles east, the reason is that in some respects they do, however LDC is only one reason why there is so much mistrust about Falmer.

Apart from people like yourself and other close to you, the general feeling about Falmer is that in all probability it will not go ahead....i am sorry but listen to the comments around Withdean, in pubs, letters in the paper. We have not won the hearts and minds of people about this...it is not our fault - everyone you speak to knows that waterhall is the best place ( Yes I know why not), but that is the problem...FFS some idiot keeps banging on about Toads Hole valley in the Argus some 2 years since it was discounted ( or 10 years if you count Archers application)

DK will have several legacies, but they will be driven by what happens in court.

If the court rules in our favour, then off we go and he will be a hero and imortalised for bringing us back to brighton and getting us a stadium

if they say No, he will be seen as someone who couldnt hold on to decent managers, wasted 4 million on a pipe dream and ruled over a yo yo club who had no stability and used the fans as an excuse to sack one of our more sucessful managers

I hope and most of the people on here hope it will be the former.

 

[Ernest]

But there could be another direction to look - after all his comments about 'the lardy Jocko and the Clipboard Kid' maybe Ernie had more effect on Knight than we had thought. Could there be a smoking gun in his ARS?

As I said Magoo went to save the potless pillock

 

[London Irish]

Interesting.
I don't think Dick was 100% behind McGhee in the summer, and
a few games into this season a first reassessment of the situation was always going to be made.

Let's remember that Dick, Martin et al are there because of the supporters in the first place: if we hadn't done what we did in the 90s it's very doubtful that the Albion would still exist. I know for a fact that he will never forget that and that what the supporters think is fundamentally important to him. Of course he listens to us. And no, I don't just mean the 'inner circle.' For many/most of us, including Dick in my interpretation, the Revell substitution summed up in one single act everything that McGhee had been doing wrong for some while: it had been going on for a while, but that was the last straw. The spontaneous chants and booing from all over the ground concentrated his mind still further: the need to revitalise the situation, turn the gates round, and not least get a healthy and unified turnout for the rally next Sunday. That's my take on it.

Except the Revell substitution improved our play. You know, sometimes a vocal minority booing in the stand can just be plain wrong and it can take a bit of courage to just say that. If El Abd had not cocked up his header against Brentford in injury time, we would have had our best start to the season in 50 years. "Turn the gates round"? What was wrong with the first two gates of the season - they were better than anything Coppell achieved in League 1. McGhee was not to blame for the Crewe game being shifted to Sunday and gate being impacted by loads of people going to London the previous day - you might as well blame Mushy it would make more sense

 

[Brovion]

Some good points being made here. Just to get back to the 'community club' expression, I don't see how we can claim to be a 'community club' when all the shares are owned by a handful of wealthy people.

 

[London Irish]

But I think ther seeds of McGhee's dismissal were sown primarily through his failure in the last 2 transfer windows, and the state the squad has been left in as a direct result.

Let's see all the great signings flood in now then.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Except the Revell substitution improved our play. You know, sometimes a vocal minority booing in the stand can just be plain wrong and it can take a bit of courage to just say that. If El Abd had not cocked up his header against Brentford in injury time, we would have had our best start to the season in 50 years. "Turn the gates round"? What was wrong with the first two gates of the season - they were better than anything Coppell achieved in League 1. McGhee was not to blame for the Crewe game being shifted to Sunday and gate being impacted by loads of people going to London the previous day - you might as well blame Mushy it would make more sense

So hang on...are you saying DK was wrong to sack MM because of the actions of a "vocal minority " in the stand?

i was not there so i cant comment, but was it a minority...I seem to have got the impression there was wholescale booing and the stands emptying?

 

[rool]

What was wrong with the first two gates of the season - they were better than anything Coppell achieved in League 1.

That's an interesting point although, unless I am mistaken, the capacity back then was only 7k and for Coppells first three games the attendances were 6536, 6604 and 6534 (or 93% of capacity)according to the official site. I seem to remember that it was still a bugger to get home tickets at that time and all matches were nearly always quoted as sold out, the discrepancy due to poor away attendance or season tickets not attending.

I'm not quite sure that is comparing like for like.

 

[London Irish]

Take away the Lewes factor, and the bulldozers would have been working for six weeks by now. And it's this expectation (to be building it by now) which is frustrating people. Point is, people ARE frustrated and are looking for a scapegoat, and for some reason, some are not looking eight miles east, but at the club. That baffles me.

Yes I agree with that very strongly - except it is the club itself that has now found a scapegoat, which is a shame.

 

[The Large One]

Apart from people like yourself and other close to you, the general feeling about Falmer is that in all probability it will not go ahead....i am sorry but listen to the comments around Withdean, in pubs, letters in the paper. We have not won the hearts and minds of people about this...it is not our fault - everyone you speak to knows that waterhall is the best place ( Yes I know why not), but that is the problem...FFS some idiot keeps banging on about Toads Hole valley in the Argus some 2 years since it was discounted ( or 10 years if you count Archers application)

I understand the bit about hearts and minds, but those who say somewhere else is better are only listening to themselves. On the other hand, I take my confidence in the project from listening to people who talk about a particular subject on which they are knowledgable - Martin Perry, Ed Bassford, the Treasury Solicitor and so on.

DK will have several legacies, but they will be driven by what happens in court.

If the court rules in our favour, then off we go and he will be a hero and imortalised for bringing us back to brighton and getting us a stadium

if they say No, he will be seen as someone who couldnt hold on to decent managers, wasted 4 million on a pipe dream and ruled over a yo yo club who had no stability and used the fans as an excuse to sack one of our more sucessful managers

I hope and most of the people on here hope it will be the former.

Correct. And that is what Dick is confidently hingeing his entire reputation on.

 

[Dandyman]

What was wrong with the first two gates of the season - they were better than anything Coppell achieved in League 1.

They were about 100 to 150 people better in an enlarged capacity (6643 & 6745 against 6536 and 6604 for SC) The real issue was the large number of people streaming out of the gates before the end of the Crewe game (not my style but the frustration was understandable).

 

[London Irish]

That's an interesting point although, unless I am mistaken, the capacity back then was only 7k and for Coppells first three games the attendances were 6536, 6604 and 6534 (or 93% of capacity)according to the official site. I seem to remember that it was still a bugger to get home tickets at that time and all matches were nearly always quoted as sold out, the discrepancy due to poor away attendance or season tickets not attending.

I'm not quite sure that is comparing like for like.

So what? - it's still more people coming through the gate and paying money, that's the bottom line.

Notice you didn't mention Coppell's next lot of attendances after the ones you quoted - 6,054, 6,602, 6,483 and 6,286. Were these games sold out then too?

 

[Seagull73]

Ok Alan, I will buyt that one.

However you ask why people do not look 8 miles east, the reason is that in some respects they do, however LDC is only one reason why there is so much mistrust about Falmer.

Apart from people like yourself and other close to you, the general feeling about Falmer is that in all probability it will not go ahead....i am sorry but listen to the comments around Withdean, in pubs, letters in the paper. We have not won the hearts and minds of people about this...it is not our fault - everyone you speak to knows that waterhall is the best place ( Yes I know why not), but that is the problem...FFS some idiot keeps banging on about Toads Hole valley in the Argus some 2 years since it was discounted ( or 10 years if you count Archers application)

DK will have several legacies, but they will be driven by what happens in court.

If the court rules in our favour, then off we go and he will be a hero and imortalised for bringing us back to brighton and getting us a stadium

if they say No, he will be seen as someone who couldnt hold on to decent managers, wasted 4 million on a pipe dream and ruled over a yo yo club who had no stability and used the fans as an excuse to sack one of our more sucessful managers

I hope and most of the people on here hope it will be the former.

Then, to your point, we don't need to worry about what anybody else thinks cos most people on here hope he won't be remembered like that, which ultimately means most people are not thinking like that about him.

And let's not forget, even if the court doesn't rule in our favour, it's the government they are ruling against, not us.

 

[London Irish]

The real issue was the large number of people streaming out of the gates before the end of the Crewe game (not my style but the frustration was understandable).

Like that never happens at every other football ground in the country when you've just been tonked? You know full well that a third or fourth goal always signals a mass exodus at every ground in the country.

 

[Trigger]

So what? - it's still more people coming through the gate and paying money, that's the bottom line.

Notice you didn't mention Coppell's next lot of attendances after the ones you quoted - 6,054, 6,602, 6,483 and 6,286. Were these games sold out then too?

And McGhee's third attendance?... Do be quiet now, he's gone, stop sulking and get over it.

 

[London Irish]

DK will have several legacies, but they will be driven by what happens in court.

Not quite, we know we are going to lose in court. Rather, it will be driven by what the secretary of state decides and I think the odds are very long indeed that she would perform a U-turn on her department's pro-stadium decision.

 

[rool]

That still represents a minimum of 86% attendance and the reason I never looked any further was because we are only 3 games into this season which is the sample you were using and nothing to do with quoting figures to suit my case as you are suggesting. We don't know how McGhee's attendances, had he stayed, would have stacked up over the next three games do we?.